so chalk yager, first man to fly faster than the speed of sound. scott crossfield is the pilot who flew for north american. we know him best through looking at the f16. but in the early '50s it's chuck yeager and scott crossfield duelling on these mach one, mach two planes. so they're competitors. and that's one of the interesting and dynamic things about pilots, especially in the 1950s. they're hyper competitive. they want to see who is the best and really outdo each other. they're a great example of that. >> if people are interested in studying aviation history, obviously you have done your research, where are some of the leading institutions in this country? >> in a lot of ways you can go to a focused program like auburn had or you could go to any first rate graduate school. and you can study history and as part of your theme, you can put aviation into the story. so we've had through your fellowship program we've had students from yale, princeton, the other ivy league schools. so you can tailor your history program at the graduate level to fit w