yakunin wanted to buy vacation property in dubai and ostensibly, it wouldn't touch the u.s. at all but at some point, he would have to transfer money and he would have to use a bank and there are very few banks in the world that don't have some sort of correspondent relationship with a u.s. bank or deal with u.s. dollars and if they violate those designations, the price can be quite high. we saw hsbc got hit with a $1.8 billion fine, standard charter bank got hit with, i think it was, 3 or $400 million fine and if they want to court doing business in the u.s., they will pay those fines. >> similar to what happens to drug dealers ones you get the scar let letter? >> yeah. >> you get in serious trouble if these banks end up doing business with them but yakunin told the financial times, i did not intend to travel to the u.s. i have no assets there. it does not bother me at all. >> aren't we just talking about at this point, just a few russian oligarchs and the ukrainian government says the sanctions aren't enough? >> well, the then you have the third order of facts meaning anyb