so america first founded at yale though. it was broadly opposed to american involvement in any war within that umbrella had several diverse viewpoints. so some members of america first were pacifists meaning that they just didn't want to get involved in any conflict while others actually may have sympathized with the nazi regime in germany, um and saw and thought that the the us shouldn't have shouldn't get involved because they sort of supported. what was unfolding there. um, so what's really interesting about america first is that it started as a student organization at yale, but thanks to the savvy of some of the organizers. they enlisted the help of celebrity aviator charles lindbergh. so in 1940 these students wrote to lindberg asking him to come speak at yale now lindbergh was most famous for his solo flight across the atlantic, but he had also been touring the united states speaking in favor of us isolationism. so here you can see a photo of him at yale. he's in the middle so he did actually come and speak to these st

motto for god for country for yale.d and the country and obviously had a weird way about going to their institution. seeing that was really eye-opening. and i realized very early on this is not quite where i permanently fit in. >> tucker: were the people impressive? >> it's interesting -- >> tucker: very hard to get into those schools. >> here what happens i would say. there are people who that are smart for sure. if you think you are smarter than you are, you got some problems. even if you are really smart, and i think what i saw was people who were smart but tended to think they were a lot smarter and knew a lot more than they really did. and i think that there is a lot of danger in that. i kind of learned early on you have got to have a little bit of humility, you know, you want to be confident in what you believe and what you think, but, there is always more information out there and be careful of getting over your success. -- skis thatserved me well. >> tucker: how important do you think thats is the fact that ther

of cholera he's a professor at yale school of medicine in connecticut and he explained to us how this new generation of anti malaria drugs work. the vaccine that we're working on which is still pre-clinical it's an animal testing taken just takes advantage of a gene that we discovered about 10 years ago that's produced by the malaria parasite that acts to suppress the immune response to the parasite and so our vaccine takes advantage of this protein product called p.m.s. and by vaccinated against it the host can clear the infection on its own and we combine this vaccine in an engine with a new type of r. and a cold so amplifying our name in many ways it's a 2nd generation of the m.r.d. vaccines currently used for covert because it persists at the injection site for about 6 to 8 weeks so you can inject very small amounts it can print be produced much more quickly much lower cost $1.00 can make about a 1000000 human doses in a liter of synthetic cell free fluid so it would be potentially much easier to distribute much less expensive and it could be produced at sites around the world in

colleges, what is called of the little ivies and one school people go to when they can't get into yaleand both dynamics and it's the middle of what has become an increasingly poor, brown, latinx city, capitol city, and for decades, the university found different ways to fortify itself in the stories we have been telling all along. in fact the gothic quadrangle style of the university of chicago that we are familiar with was modeled on a trinity campus. the fortification, and we get to the 1990s, there's that same kind of story but interest of enlightened self-interest that for years the elite nature of trinity college was able to rise above the existence in a modest capital city but the violence and posted got to a point that people were not coming to the cool in the 80s and 90s because of fears -- sometime it wasn't fear of violence, just fear of poverty. poverty looked different. and so trinity did something that they even it own trustees and alums thought they would never do. they hired this interesting character by the name of evan d do below whoget this batch records degree until

in yale; you're citing people from elsewhere, university of michigan, ucla, or whatnot. so you're kind of engaging with scholars across the board, and so one way that diversity could be achieved is if you had -- yale sociology department leans this one, harvard leans that way, and ucla is out there somewhere. that could be a healthy situation where there's not diversity within an institution put there's a cross, and actually that -- you find that within my own field of philosophy and fields i think are working well. so things like the more theoretical part you have harvard, who is very known to be -- in the tradition of -- you have other places, princeton, known to be more consequentialist they kind of engage with each other, but one worry i have is that is not true when it comes to political polarized topic and you see harvard, yale, ucla, berkeley, they all lead in one way and that's the problem. >> i wonder earlier in your career you were pursuing ph.d in engineering before you decided to embrace philosophy as your discipline and you do offer relative optimism about t

how come you didn't go to harvard or yale or some other great law school?e you decided to do something that not many rhodes scholars are doing? wes: i went into the world of finance and i was there working for deutsche bank in london. it was nice. i remember getting a phone call -- i was a brand-new analyst and it was from my good buddy, at that time major mic with the 82nd airborne. he said something to me -- " when are you going to get into the fight?" i am a paratrooper. i had gone through all my training with my soldiers, and as my soldiers are now deploying to afghanistan and deploying to iraq, i was working in high finance. i literally went back and thought about it and prayed on it and i went back and called him back up and said " mike, i'm in." i ended up doing a binding request and -- by-name request and left finance. i went to fort benning to do my training and moved up. around nine months after that conversation i had in the stairwell of deutsche bank, i was getting ready to deploy with the 82nd airborne to afghanistan. david: did you ask for an

he had gotten wind of yale starting a school in forestry.his classmates, yale instilled the esprit de corps pinchot wanted for his new agency. >> they are full of the spirit of this new movement and they dispersed throughout the country. for the time being while they are studying under the foremost experts in the field of forestry, gifford pinchot knows all of them personally. they are a very special group of students. ♪ >> for the first 25 years, 50% of the graduates of the yale school go to work to the forest service. the joke about the forest service is it is referred to as the yale club. [chorale singers] narrator: hired by the forest service on graduation, koch was assigned to missoula, montana. >> the missoula national forest and an adjacent one were virgin territory and you can imagine what it must've felt like when he stepped off the train in missoula, montana, with his young danish bride, at 27 years old, to begin work. first of all, where's the national forest? he has not determined andres, he has to determine boundaries and set up

it's inspiring to see such an outpouring of courage and patriotism, said a yale professor who helped organize the call. threatening to economically devastate fellow americans is courageous and patriotic now? courage used to mean great personal sacrifice for others. now it just describes powerful executives who out of political convenience take jobs and opportunities from the middle class in one state and give them to another state. most of these bigwigs are really self unaware. i don't know if you've noticed. why else would some of them attend the masters tournament in augusta, georgia, while at the same time pledging to hurt the state that they are enjoying? and other states that passed any such laws. the media of course, they live on the same hypocrisy boulevard. >> cbs, one of the many companies publicly opposing the voting law. cbs sports will broadcast the masters as it's done for more than 60 years. >> laura: it's nonexclusive or anything. the fact is we should expect to see this kind of glaring hypocrisy as long as big business still believes that it can insult and punish cons

of yale. he left his papers to yale with the stipulation that they'd be closed until the last justice. he served with retired and that was john paul stevens who retired in 2010 and the papers open and they're really interesting. we use several interesting collections of justice's papers for the book. but stewart was assigned to write the opinion for the majority was five to four in harrison against mcrae saying there's no constitutional obligation to pay for abortions for poor women. i want to read you a bit of this. so in stewart's draft of his opinion, which is in his papers and actually was published as as he wrote it he said the financial constraints that restrict an indigent woman's ability to enjoy the full range of constitutionally protected freedom of choice are the product not of governmental restrictions on access to abortions, but rather of her indigency. although congress has opted to subsidize medically necessary services generally, but not certain medically necessary abortions. t

, who are you to question by your own logic, who are you to question all these experts at harvard, yale, stanford, carnegie mellon, the number one university in america, in the world according to u.s. news and world report, oxford university? who are you to question the justifications of dr. fauci? who are you to tell those doctors you don't know what you're talking about. i would refer to you, why are you questioning those who question dr. fauci? they have farmer impressive diplomas and accreditations, ma'am, then you do. host: let's go to johnny from tacoma, washington. caller: good morning. i just want to say to steve. you are on here promoting your book and dr. fauci is a scientist and we have to understand science. so at one point we might say that you don't need masks, but with science and then you realize that out there without masks this is spreading faster. so you regroup and say, ok, maybe we do need masks paid you try different things and you tell the people who lost family members. we had over half a million people to die from this. this herd immunity who was talking to trum

that was dr richard view college professor at yale school of medicine speaking to a short time ago. now here in germany authorities are switching gears in the fight against the pandemic after months of struggling to contain a severe 3rd wave of the virus titer national restrictions were put in place this weekend including a controversial overnight curfew i reporter kate brady was out in the capital berlin to see what it's like. it's saturday night in berlin friedrichs kind of strict with just minutes to go before the new curfew kicks in at 10 pm enough time to grab a quick beer all some late night food for the road. right of here was the clock strikes 10 many local shops begin to roll down the shots as minutes later police arrive to clear structureless from the square. according to federal rules repeated violators of the measures risk a hefty fine of up to 25000 euros for most tonight it's just a polite request to head home the restrictions on movement during the late hours have been met with mixed response and. it's annoying. he was the. last of. the day we accept it but we can com

earlier i spoke to dr richard bukola a professor at yale school of medicine in connecticut he's also the developer of another new possible vaccine for malaria i asked him how the new or in a vaccines work against the disease. the vaccine that we're working on which is still pre-clinical it's an animal testing taken just takes advantage of a gene that we discovered about 10 years ago that's produced by the malaria parasite that acts to suppress the immune response to the parasite and so our vaccine takes advantage of this protein product called pm if and by vaccinated against it the host can clear the infection on its own and we combine this vaccine an engine with a new type of r.n.a. called self amplifying arni in many ways it's a 2nd generation of the m.r.d. vaccines currently used for covert because it persists at the injection site for about 6 to 8 weeks so you can inject a very small amounts it can print be produced much more quickly a much lower cost $1.00 can make about a 1000000 human doses in a liter of synthetic cell free fluid so it would be potentially much easier to distr

how come you didn't go to harvard or yale or some other great law school?ow come you decided to do something that not many rhodes scholars were doing? wes: first, actually, actually, i went into the world of finance and was there for a little while working at deutsche bank in london. it was great, nice. i remember getting a phone call. i was a brand-new analyst working on deals. and it was from my good buddy, at that time, a major with the 82nd airborne division. and he said something to me. he said, so when are you going to get into the fight? and that was indicting for me. because i trained. i am a paratrooper. i had gone through all my training with my soldiers, and as my soldiers are now deploying to afghanistan and deploying to iraq i was working in high finance. and i literally went back and thought about it, prayed on it, and i went back and called him back up a couple days later and said, mike, i am in. and so, i ended up doing, they did a by-name request for me, and i left finance and joined up with the 82nd airborne division. i went down to fort b

toward beginning phase one testing in human subjects got it that's a dr richard bukola professor at yale school of medicine many thanks for making time for g.w. sir thank you very much. let's turn now to some other stories making headlines around the world at this hour a state of emergency has come into effect in tokyo. widening. department stores will stay closed for the next 17 days in japan's capital 3 months before the city hosts the summer olympics. germany is switching gears in the fight against the pandemic after parliament approved a legislative amendment paving the way for a more centrally coordinated response on saturday night authorities patrolled cities across the country to enforce the most controversial of the new measures a curfew between 10 pm and 5 am. in. his condolences to the families of $53.00 sailors presumed dead after the submarine they were in at sea the vessel went missing on april 21st while conducting exercises off the coast of bali. demonstrators have gathered in jerusalem to call for peace and. tensions in the city there's been near nightly between palestini

yale statement read there's much more work to be done. not more work, much more work. between tim scott and that of yale is one of degrees. >> reporter: i asked mitch mcconnell if republicans are diving into perhaps political challenges by getting behind some sort of police reform. he dodged the question, but does have a lot of praise for senator scott, and the truth is on capitol hill that senator mcconnell and all republicans are taking their queues from senator scott and giving him leeway to try to come up with some sort of compromise deal with democrats. while he might be getting a lot of pressure from conservatives outside the beltway or from influential media, personalities like tucker carlson, on capitol hill, republicans are allowing tim scott to do his thing and see where it ends up, see if it is something they're able to support him in. >> i mentioned earlier, seating is limited in the house chamber for the president's address. some house republicans are giving tickets to freshman members. is there any concern about disruption like 2009 when joe wilson shoute

law school eight of the nine justices went to harvard or yale law school. of them were former supreme court clerks who are frequently taken from schools like harvard and yale do you think there is something there that needs to be changed is there something in that that has now narrowed this process down to too small a group? >> i made it very clear, i don't think people's backgrounds and experiences -- as you know, back behind me is my book "blessed experiences. and i say in that book that we can never be in a more -- than what our experiences allow us to be i do believe that having a diverse background of experiences, i think serves you well and so i don't have anything against people who went to the ivy league schools i just believe that it would be a mistake to determine all others unqualified or unworthy. >> as we are watching the trial of the murder of george floyd this week, the justice and policing act that the house has considered becomes all the more vivid because there is a provision in that act that would change the standard of proof for criminal

and is about to release those findings next week and professor james foreman jr who teaches law at yale university and is the author of the book locking up our own crime and punishment in black america thanks to both of you for joining us today and these are obviously tense times. i know your report is about to come out but why. you also have a trial going on and a verdict expected in the coming day or days with derek show and as we produce this show i am very aware that 3 black people on average in the united states will die in the next 24 hours as a result of police actions can you frame for us what the stakes are in the show in trial and its outcome right now. well the stakes are high as you know you know that the stakes are high in many ways we're looking at how is the jury going to make this decision what are they going to be talking about what are they going to be thinking about and how are they taking all the information that's been provided and obviously across the country and really across the world people are waiting to see whether or not this verdict is a reflection of things

earlier we spoke to dr richard professor at yale school of medicine in connecticut he explained to us how this new generation of. drugs work. the vaccine that we are working on which is still pre-clinical it's an animal testing taken to takes advantage of a gene that we discovered about 10 years ago that's produced by the malaria parasite that acts to suppress the immune response to the parasite and so our vaccine takes advantage of this protein product called pm if and by vaccinated against it the host can clear the infection on its own and we combine this vaccine an agenda with a new type of r.n.a. called self amplifying our name in many ways it's a 2nd generation of the m.r.d. vaccines currently used for covert because it persists at the injection site for about 6 to 8 weeks so you can inject a very small amounts it can pre be produced much more quickly at much lower cost $1.00 can make about a 1000000 human doses in a liter of synthetic cell free fluid so it would be potentially much easier to distribute much less expensive and it could be produced at sites around the world in a m

challenging him to television last night doctor albert burke former director of graduate studies at yalet, on real america. we believe that broadcast with educational television pioneer, albert berke. using footage and interviews from cuba, berke argues that poverty, racism and economic exploitation by u.s. corporate interests and pre revolutionary cuba led to the popularity of fidel castro, who promised to make life better for his supporters. >> chapter one. and the battle of america. chapter one was the battle of cuba. it was finished on january the 8th, 1959 here in havana. the kind of history these people began writing here was not intended to stop here.

you wouldn't have gone to yale.like, in the historically black university, lincoln, right on my brother. we would not have had those opportunities. i can imagine the heartbreak. when you read the speeches made in that day in 1833 and then douglass went to lincoln hall three days later and made another speech separately about the portrayal of the negro. if you ask, why would they do this? what remained the leading export from the united states through the 1930s? cotton. somebody hadrn cotton. you are moving from the economy where the labor was free, ostensibly, it's performed by sleeves, and it needed to be a place to maximize profits with the form of what? neo-slavery. share cropping. that damage. vagrancy laws. you saw three black men, for black men on the street, it could be arrested. but on the changing. images of chain gangs. that is where they'll come from. between 1889 and a 1930 or so 307 black men are lynched in the name of many, many but not all are accused of raping young women. -- white women. nobody was

how come you do not go to yale law school or harvard?i went to the world of finance working at a bank in london. i remember getting a phone call is a brand new analyst from my good buddy, at that time major mike stencil who was with the 82nd airborne division. and he said to me, -- my soldiers are now deploying to afghanistan and iraq and i was working in high finance. i went back and thought about it , then called him back up a couple of days later and said mike, i am back in. they did a binding request for me, and i met up with the 82nd airborne division, and then within nine months i was getting ready to deploy with the 82nd airborne division in afghanistan. >> ok, so you went to afghanistan, but did you ask for an office job or something like that? >> no. we were very much in the field. so much of the conversation at that time was iraq. we had 150,000 troops in iraq, and in afghanistan we only had 17,000 troops. when i went to afghanistan, people said, at least you're not going to iraq, but not knowing what was going on with the figh

i wouldn't have gone to cambridge, i wouldn't have gone to yale. we would not have had those opportunities. and i can imagine the heartbreak. when you read the speeches made that day at that church in 1883 and douglas went to lincoln hall three days later and made another speech about the betrayal of the negro. and you ask, why would they do this? well, what remained the leading export from the united states through the 1930s? cotton. somebody had to pick that cotton. and you were moving from an economy where the labor was free, right? as performed by slaves. and it needed to be replaced to maximum profits with a form of, what, neo slavery. sharecropping, vagrancy laws, you saw three black men, four black men on the street, they could be arrested, put on the chain gang. you know those images of chain gangs, that's where they call come from. between 1889 and 1930 or so, 3,700 black men are lynched in the name of -- many, not all, many accused of rape, raping white women. isn't that curious in lynching was a trope that was invented as part of a large

and there are some activists who write, protests at yale university, the historian's job is to explain the path to the present so when i saw that happening, what is out there on calhoun i knew a couple of the biographies and when i went and looked, biographies had not been written at that time in 23 years or 28, a figure of comparable importance that is almost unimaginable that you have gone that long without a major biography and what happened is the entire field of southern history, slavery had changed so dramatically that i didn't think the interpretations of calhoun that i was reading in some of those older books which are great, and it is a great political in 1993. the entire field, changed in dramatic ways. and a more modest figure than we like to think about. we would like to portray him, the father a failed political project, and and acknowledge part of american identity. >> one thing that strikes me immediately. you don't shy from that was a couple things connected, the notion of him, those of you on the call, this, bob and i grew up in scholarly terms with the view of the sel

the poll caught the attention of a biologyist at yale's school of medicine she is launching a study on people with long covid, comparing responses before and after they get the vaccine to understand if it really helps. one theory is that pieces of the virus may hide in the body. >> the vaccine triggers the body to clear the inflammation. >> and long covid is driven by a hyperactive auto immune response, and the vaccine may reduce the responses. >> there's no good therapy for long covid, and the people have really debilitating symptoms. so, there's a lot of excitement about this study. >> i was terrified of getting the vaccine and i was terrified to not get it. >> reporter: she suffered diz dizziness and exhaustion. >> i was in my life ving room dancing and my partner was like, i have not seen you dance in a year. i forgot what it felt like to wake up and feel good and excited for the day and not feel defeated before you get out of bed. >> reporter: it sounds like somebody switched a light on. yeahenroll a w i felt, like, hundred people in the study and see if the relief lasts and they

you're not just talking to people at yale. your siding people from elsewhere. ucla, university of michigan. engaging with scholars across the board. . . . . the more i see a radical parts of ethics you have carver who is known to be content and addition of immanuel kant and more consequentialist and they engage with each other and one worry i have is that it's not true when it comes to political he polarized topics and they are harvard yale ucla university of florida they all lean one way so that's really the problem. >> earlier in your career you were resetting engineering before he decided to embrace the philosophy as your discipline and you know you do offer relative optimism about the state of the hard scientist yet as you know there is a perception particularly on scientific questions that are increasingly leather sized or also it goes beyond what its position and i'm pleading guilty about something i was talking about earlier on. when you think about the amount of public funding that goes into some domain it does seem as though it might shape the incentiv

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reporter: as cases rise across the state, hospitals are seeing more patients like carleglio according to yale's chief clinical officer, dr. tom balcezak. >> we've seen a 70% reduction in those over the age of 55 being admitted to the hospital, but what that means is we're seeing a lot more 30 and 40-year-olds coming in. just last week we intubated a 21-year-old. that's really unheard of for us. >> reporter: how alarming is that? >> well, it's pretty concerning. i think the message is nobody is completely safe unless you're vaccinated. >> reporter: just 20% of adults over 18 are fully vaccinated. despite that lack of broad protection, states are relaxing rules on masks and gatherings, giving more contagious variants opportunities to spread, says dr. ashish jah. >> our best estimate right now is probably 50% to 70% of all infections in america are from b.1.1.7., the variant from the uk. the issue is unvnvaccinated peoe getting together and given the variants, it's still risky. i would avoid it. everybody who wants a a vaccine will have had one, and certainly by the time we get into the summer. so

native floridian, i grew up playing sports, baseball, public school kid, i was recruited to play at yaleity. i had never been to new england in my life. i go up there, i showed up the first day of school with jean shorts and a t-shirt which was pretty standard for the where i grew up in florida but it was not well received in new england at a place like yale. i played baseball there for four years. eventually he went to harvard law and commissioned in the navy as an officer with navy jack. i served stateside, in iraq and a number of other things in that area. i was a federal prosecutor for a time and i was elected to congress in 2012 and elected governor in 2018. with some of those experiences have showed me is the role that leadership plays in politics. mark, you and i can sit and interview candidates and they may do the conservative checklists and say all the right things, but the question is when you get into a position, whether in the congress or governorship and the pressures on and they're coming at you, are you going to have the backbone to stand up and do what's right. i think i

god and men at yale, his critique of yale in 1951, turning secular humanist at one level and it was inculcating people with keynesian. you, and buckley embodied both. reagan was interesting, too. reagan i think was close toast the libertarian and cold war aspects of the conservative movement but he reached out to evangelicals and others. he famously was in a sense a neocon on his own. been on the left wing of the democratic party never 1940s and for various reasons of experience so forth in hollywood, and he had the politician's sense that you can cultivate the branches over the coalition, so all the sides could see him as giving them a seat at the table. so i don't know that there is an ecumenical figure right now comparable to buckley and reagan, but they managed to i think be very effective diplomats. they obviously removed some from the fringe, the burk society and others and anti-semites and the like so i don't -- i agree that it wasn't all just peace and love and harmony until 2016. no. there were fights. but there was that he can cue manacle and one reason -- ecumenical and it survived b

joining me now, joanne freeman from yale university. arlie hawksfield for the uc berkeley sociology department and the author of "being strangers in their own land." i'm so happy to have you both here for this conversation. you are two of my favorite people who study this issue. arlie, the reason i wanted to talk to you, you lived this world before the moment we were in. you went down to louisiana and you spent time amongst people who held views that were very foreign to those that you existed around. so you learned a little bit about this. what have you learned and written about that could inform us in this moment of deep political disagreement? >> well, you know, i've learned that, first of all, you need a goal to try and talk across the way. and i found that people on the right, that tea party people that became enthusiasts for donald trump already in -- before he was elected. that they want to talk across -- but what's missing is we don't have the vehicles. we used to have the compulsory draft and unions that mixed and matched us ac

of cholera a professor at yale school of medicine talking to w. a short time ago. well hollywood is gearing up to present the 93rd academy awards ceremony tonight but while the red carpet is rolled out just as every year the oscars will be unlike any other before with no host and no audiences show producers are still hoping to bring some glamour to the ceremony most of the films up for awards tonight have never made it to a movie theater streaming services have come to the rescue both as viewing platforms and also as creative engines for high class cinema we have this overview of the nominees. meg with 11 nominations is technically the front runner of this year's oscars us david finch is black and white to the golden age of hollywood is up for best film and best director gary oldman could take home his 2nd best acting performance of the alcoholic screenwriter helen manc mankiewicz the man who wrote citizen kane. any distraction eliminated every. fellow oscar winner of viola davis is a favorite for best actress performance and the music drama rainey's black bottom p

you mentioned yale law school. when i was at yale, i taught at princeton, at m.i.t. as a fellow. white kids do terrible stuff every damn day. i saw white kids on drugs. i saw white kids who were disrespectful. i saw frat boys doing stuff that would make a gang member ashamed in terms of the level of disrespect and disregard, and the cops were never called on a single one of those kids. those kids got the benefit of the doubt. they got a second chance, third chance, 15th chance, and those kids are out having good lives, and yet you see blocks away from those campuses in the housing projects kids doing less bad stuff getting 15, 20 years jail, wind up getting killed, sometimes by each other. you walk around as a black person with a constant sense of both dread and guilt. am i doing enough for my community? am i doing enough to help? i spent a lot of time in prisons, helping folks. you go into a prison, and you've done it yourself, it's wall-to-wall african-american men, latino men. let's be honest, chris. some of these guys, they're smarter than me and you, they're better leaders.

[inaudible] -- host: our guest has a legal degree and master degree from yale university. let's go to andrew from redhook, new york on the independent line. caller: thank you for your time. i understand the premise of what you are pushing for statehood. but, the framers early did point out that they did not want d.c. to ever become a state because it would centralize power. currently, you would have how many senators living in washington dc? maybe not full-time, they do maintain residences, both the speakers of both of the houses, congress. by doing that, you are centralizing power. giving statehood does that tenfold, 100 fold. host: congresswoman norton? guest: senators live in d.c. when they are here. but they better maintain the residence where they are. d.c. does not get more power because the seat of government is here. senators take up residence here for the time they are in congress. but that does not give d.c. more power. that simply means that while they are here, they often vote against it d.c.. -- vote against d.c.. d.c. has never gained anything from the fact t

. >> graduated from yale university and law school. >>> caitlyn for governor, transgender reality tv star wants to challenge governor newsom for election. does she have a chance? >> reality tv star, olympian and famous transgender person wants to challenge governor newsom on the recall. >> she's going to be formidable. >> jenner knows how to win. >> enormous name recognition, should be able to fundraise, has heshe needs it. >> always happy when someone from the transgender community steps up into position of leadership. >> reporter: first transgender person elected to political office in california. democrat doesn't believe newsom should be recalled and jenner isn't qualified. >> unfortunately ms. jenner doesn't have any government experience and don't believe however laudable hosting a television program and being a success at social media qualifies you to lead the largest state in the union. >> reporter: pointing to recall election of governor gray davis, says celebrity does appeal to voters. >> no qualifications for governor's office other than eligible to vote. it's that simple.

some rhodes scholars go to oxford, get a degree don't get a degree, then come back and go to harvard, yale school, go to something important like private equity, whatever it might be, right? what did you decide to do? why didn't you go to law school? why did you do something that not many were doing? wes: i went to the world of finance and was there for a little while in london, great, nice. i remember getting a phone call. i was a brand-new analyst working on the deal. it was from my buddy, a major with the 82nd airborne division. he said something to me. so when are you going to get into the fight? that was exciting for me. i train. i am a paratrooper. i have gone through all my training with my soldiers, and my soldiers are now in afghanistan, deploying to iraq. i was working in high finance. i went back and thought about it, prayed on it, and called him back up a couple days later and said, mike, i am in. i ended up doing, they did a request for me, and i left and joined up with the 82nd airborne division. i went to fort benning to do my training, then around nine months after that con