i've been doing it at yale about 20 years. but we've invited you on to talk about a new series that you are editing or producing called the black lives series. what is that? well, it's a series that yale university press has just begun in the past few years. the three series editors are henry louis gates jr and jacqueline goldsby. jackie is here at yale and the english department. skip is course up at harvard. it's a series modeled on another that yale press does called jewish lives, which has now been around 20 or 30 years. it's been very successful series. they are short biographies, usually 200 pages or less. the jewish lives series is as been a triumph. so they decided to do a series called black lives, which is the new series. and we have the first two books coming out in the series just in the next month or so. and many other books in the pipeline, about 18 of them already, i believe, are signed up or the are under air for review. and this, too, will be biographies broadly defined. now about black lives. africans, americ

what do you teach at yale? >> i teach about slavery, civil war, reconstruction. >> host: how long have you been teaching them? >> guest: all of my career. i've been doing it at yale about 20 years. >> host: you are writing a series called the black lives series. what is it? >> guest: a series yale university press has begun in the last few years, jackie is here at yale. another the yale press does called jewish lives which is been around 20 or 30 years is a successful series, they are short biographies, usually 200 pages or less, the jewish lives series has been a triumph. a series called black lives is a new series and we have the first two books coming out in the series in the next month or so. many books in the pipeline, 18 of them are signed up, the proposals are under review. this too will be biography, broadly defined about black lives, including literary characters, about which authors will write biographies. >> host: why the focus on short biographies? >> forward biography, i certainly discovered that i

. >> originally set at the yale university professor david. he is onere of three editors frm a series focuses on individuals of african descent who shaped american history. joining us now on book tv is longtime gayle professor david blight present office author interpose a prize winner. professor blight what you teach at yale? >> i teach about slavery, similar reconstruction. he went how long you been teaching that? speak to evan speaking about the all of my career preventing that at yale about 20 years. who had invited going to talk about new series or editing or producing called the black lives series. what is that? >> guest: it's a series that guilt university press is begun in last three years. the three serious editors are henry louis gates junior, jacqueline goldsberry, jackie is here yelling english department. it's of course up at harvard. it is a series modeled on another at the yale frescoes called jewish lives which is now been around 20 or 30 years is very successful series. they are short biographies usually 300 pages or less. the

university, yale owns the ground.ever, the building is owned by r and s companies. intended to be a seven story residential building, two parking floors below ground, one parking floor above ground and above that is seven stories of residential. they own the building behind you and in general, the size and shape is similar to the building behind you. >> how many of the injured worked -- >> all of them. >> do you know the name of the contractor? >> rms is on their way and they should answer that question for you because i want to confirm we have the right company. >> how many people did you say were inside at the time? >> 36 people on the building site. i can't say how many were inside versus around the building, but 36 people that were on-site at the time. >> were any firefighters injured in the rescue effort? >> no, just exhausted. >> difference between the time of the collapse -- >> roughly 45 minutes, roughly 45 minutes. >> today's heat play into recovery efforts at all with the cement pour or anything? is that pla

>> yale does not recognize me.hter] >> as the special counsel ramps up on the january 6th investigation -- >> that is what jack smith is going in for, absolutely, this is it, this is the big show. >> what we are learning today about new subpoenas in the documents case. >> i get everything right and they indicted me. >> -- when all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today in a landmark ruling that overturns decades of precedent, sweeping aside generations of arguments about racial justice and equality, the supreme court in a 6 to 3 decision, six conservatives to three liberals, effectively got rid of the use of race in college admissions at all, even for the purposes of increasing diversity. in the wake of the decisions, many colleges and universities immediately sent letters to students and alumni outlining how they are going to operate going forward. one such school was the college of the holy cross in massachusetts, which is notable, because that is the alma mater of justic

with her yale doctorate, she moved to washington, d.c. for a new opportunity. she applied for a job at the tennessee valley authority, which congress had just created to realize fdr's new deal vision of supplying electricity to the valley's impoverished residents. her yale boss wrote what apparently was needed to hear to hire a woman lawyer, that bessie was intent on a legal career, quote, as a primary objective from which she would not be deflected by consideration of marriage end quote. bessie thus began her government career with a pledge that she would be married to her job instead of a man. hearing tva's competition, private utility companies hurled charges of socialism that quickly turned into lawsuits. to direct the legal defense of this new deal cornerstone, tva hired james lawrence fly, a harvard law graduate and experienced trial lawyer from the justice department. fly wisely made bessie a key member of his brilliant legal team and its only woman. she researched, prepared witnesses, and materially shaped the briefs in two landmark supreme court cases

graduates because i obviously went to yale because of the color of my skin. >> reporter: on the otherhe court's only latina justice, season that sotomayor, who tread a similar path from the bronx. >> one of the poorest neighborhoods in the united states when i was growing up. yet none of those challenges have stopped me reaching where i have. i attribute it all, all of it to my education. >> reporter: today, sotomayor and thomas in a rare move, each read their opinions just as thomas defending the court's decision writing, "while i'm painfully aware of the social and economic ravages which have befallen my race and all who suffer discrimination, i hold out endearing hope that this country will live up to its principles that all men are created equal, are equal citizens, and must be treated equally under the law." >> he has been working for 30 years, playing the long game on the court, to overturn affirmative action. he read from the bench with pride. >> reporter: in a skating dissent, sotomayor responding, "the devastating impact of this decision cannot be overstated. ignoring racial

cec, at yale school, who started something called america now america first in 1940. bears no resemblance to the more contemporary use of the term. america first in 1940 was primarily a phenomenon on college campuses. now, a young gerald ford, young john f kennedy, young gore vidal, not so young walt disney, lillian gish, norman thomas frank lloyd wright. they were all united by disillusionment. america's experience in world war one. remember, we had been promised a lot. we had been a war to end wars. we had been a league of nations. we had been promised our irrationality in place of national when racial, ethnic hatred, none of which transpire. and of course, by the 1930s, it that europe was well on its way to the horrors of the first world war. and so ford and three other yale students had the idea of creating this organization. now but but here's again this is ford a much more complicated figure he appears because of the very same time that he's signing up for the isolationist agenda. like hometown hero arthur vandenberg vandenberg, he is also literally swept off fe

and it will benefit both him and yale. that's what i thought.w that's what you do when you're 21, 22 years of age. you can make a mistake. well, that isn't what it was converted to. >> what was it converted to? >> it was converted to, well, you're here because you're black. that degree meant one thing for whites and another thing for blacks. >> it was discounted. >> it was discounted, right. >> you write in the book that your yale degree was worth 15 cents. >> well, you know, steve, i have still a 15 cent sticker on the frame that my law degree is in. it's tainted, so i just leave it in the basement. >> he had a hard time getting a job even with that degree. >> justice thomas has not left his personal feelings and animosity towards yale, towards affirmative action in the basement. he's put it right front and center. he's made his personal issues the harm that he feels, a constitutional question. i'm sorry, justice thomas obviously has an issue with affirmative action, but we should not allow one judge to determine what our national constitutiona

>>clarant thomas blamed yale's policies for his own trouble finding a job after graduation. he even stuck a 15 cent sticker from a cigar package on the back -- with clarjs thomas as eeoc chair and william bradford reynolds as head of the justice department civil rights division the reagan doj pursued cases that sought to ban affirmative action policies. and thomas for his part stopped bringing class action lawsuits. that pattern earned clarence thomas a public admonishment from the naacp, but in the reagan justice department it earned him praise. thomas was flagged by edward niece and senator john thurman as well as bradford reynolds who lauded thomas as the epitome of the right kindho of affirmative action working the right way. bradford reynolds called thomas' reappointment a proud moment. but thomas wasn't alone in the fight against affirmative action. at the same time was a man named john roberts. as a young white house lawyer roberts helped the justice department make arguments against any government use of race as a basis for hiring and diversifying hiinstitutions, an

. >> sandra: fox news alert, a situation out of new haven, connecticut, near yale university.ed under a building that was under construction that has partially collapsed, near yale university campus. this is according to authorities, just now coming across the a.p. obviously we are going to dig further on any information from this. we don't have any pictures yet, we are efforting them, but fox news alert that people are trapped reportedly under a building that was under construction, it has partially collapsed, year yale university, new haven, connecticut, about all we know at this point. as we get more information on this developing situation we will bring that to you. john. >> john: hopefully some pictures soon and hopefully the people will be ok. the far left has made calls to defund the police and divert the money to social services like programs dealing with mental health. meanwhile, violent crime is soaring across the country but now the sheriff's department in cook county, illinois has come up with a safe way to get professional help for people in crisis while at the sa

i wasn't accepted into yale because i'm black.epted into yale because of all the other things that i am as a person, of which i'm also african american. >> reporter: you graduated magna cum laude. >> yes. thank you. >> reporter: and you were admitted to yale law school. >> yes. thank you. >> reporter: and krusto argues that the supreme court should uphold its previous rulings that colleges have a genuine interest in including students from different racial groups. >> for all students who are at a university having a diverse campus of individuals with different backgrounds adds to the educational goal of the university. >> reporter: for his part edward bloom, a descendant of holocaust survivors, contends that when colleges have considered ethnic backgrounds of applicants it has hurt certain groups. >> back in the 1920s it's well documented by dozens of historians that harvard had policies in place to discriminate against jews. fast forward now to the 1990s and 2000s, we believe that harvard has policies that diminish the likelihood

i wasn't accepted into yale because i am black.ccepted into yale because of all the other things that i am as a person, which i am also african american. >> reporter: you graduated magna cum laude. >> yes. thank you. >> reporter: and you admitted to yale law school. >> yes, thank you. >> reporter: and crusto argues that supreme court should uphold its previous rulings that colleges have a genuine interest in including students from different racial groups. >> for all students who are at a university having a diverse campus of individuals with different backgrounds add to the he had educational goal of the university. >> reporter: for his part, edward blum, a descendant of holocaust survivors, contends when colleges have considered ethnic backgrounds of applicants it has hurt certain groups. >> back in the 1920s, it's well documented by dozens of historians that harvard had policies in place to discriminate against jews. fast forward now to the 1990s and 2000s, we believe that harvard has policies that diminish the likelihood that h

he ended up with a law degree from yale university and a wonderful practice in southern florida.onderful story about human potential. now, of course, every inmate is not going to be a future student at yale law school or brown university. but there are human beings behind those bars. >> mm-hmm. >> every one of them has a story. some of them have done terrible things. but what kind of society, what kind of people are we if we simply turn our back on them, if we throw them on the dung heap of human debris, if we treat them as if they were less than fully human? >> you appeared on the original "firing line," hosted by william f. buckley jr. in 1991, you participated in a "firing line" debate on the question, "is freedom of thought in danger on american campuses?" you were on the side arguing that it was. and i want to play a section of the back-and-forth between you and catharine stimpson, who was then a dean at rutgers, who was on the other side of the question. >> the cult of sensitivity that particular substantive issues of vital importance to be discussed cannot be discussed bec

kremlin, the militants seized the territory in the east of ukraine. of the opposition, a researcher at yalersity is now in touch with us, mr. andriy , good night to you, andriy, what do you think, in your opinion , did someone push lukashenka to such a conclusion or did he i decided to do this myself, forgive me. you know this is the logic of almost any criminal. yes, any rapist dreams of attacking the victim when she is weak and very upset if she receives resistance, and here is lukashenko together with putin . a moment of weakness, and then he showed that now, as secretary blinkin said, yes, the russian army is no longer the second army in the world, but the second in ukraine, but maybe there will be a third one, so it’s true the logic of criminals they are obvious international criminals and to wait for no human moral position here does not come and to whom did he say this to andrii well why why why did he start to raise all this and who they lost in the whole and that 's what he thought but if the story went in the second way yes, he said this at a meeting with his, uh, how to say relat

>> he had this feeling of being around these white students who he says questioned his presence at yale. how is it that you, not just you, clarence thomas, but all you guys here, is it because of merit or is it because of affirmative action? he said he would keep stacks of rejection letters he had gotten from law firms. even when he was like a supreme court justice he had letters just disorder lined him of this feeling of rejection by the elite law firms. >> clarence thomas blamed yale 's affirmative action policies are 1970s for his own trouble finding a job after graduation. he even strike a 15 cent sticker from a cigar package on his yield diploma because apparently that's how much he thought it was worth. and clarence thomas is the guy reagan picked to head up the office in charge of taking on affirmative action related cases. with clarence thomas as eeoc chair -- and as head of the civil rights division, he sought to ban civil rights. -- that pattern clarence thomas a public admonishment from the naacp, but in the raid reagan justice department was a different story. it earned him

he's at yale long time, professor, and he's doing this new series on black lives. he's producing this new book series on black lives. and he said, no, it should not be updated. david yeah. david aldrich is one of our our contributors. he's with me almost every single week. fabulous guy. he is a rock star in the world of sports. worked for the washington post, tnt, covered basketball, now with the athletic, fantastic. he is black. we just talked about this the other day when we were interviewing early on wu, who wrote the book master slave, husband, wife, a fantastic book. and this came up again. and i don't say it's a blanket answer, but david the other night was saying, if you start erasing all of that, then people aren't going to know our kids, our grandchildren are not going to know what people did, how they behaved, how they spoke. so in general, he is opposed to changing those things as well. did you see the story about the digital books that was wild in which you buy a digital book and then, unbeknownst to you, you pick it up six months later, it is retroacti

he's at yale long time, professor, and he's doing this new series on black lives. he's producing this new book series on black lives. and he said, no, it should not be updated. david yeah. david aldrich is one of our our contributors. he's with me almost every single week. fabulous guy. he is a rock star in the world of sports. worked for the washington post, tnt, covered basketball, now with the athletic, fantastic. he is black. we just talked about this the other day when we were interviewing early on wu, who wrote the book master slave, husband, wife, a fantastic book. and this came up again. and i don't say it's a blanket answer, but david the other night was saying, if you start erasing all of that, then people aren't going to know our kids, our grandchildren are not going to know what people did, how they behaved, how they spoke. so in general, he is opposed to changing those things as well. did you see the story about the digital books that was wild in which you buy a digital book and then, unbeknownst to you, you pick it up six months later, it is retroacti

he is somebody yale would have never considered but for affirmative action.nd he seems to load everything about the opportunities he has been given, and want to delete them for every other black person forever. >> that is so counterintuitive, and insulting to everyone else who is not going to be denied the same opportunities. >> he would have denied ketanji brown jackson because he would have said -- >> i mean, you look at this table right here, this is the nightmare scenario for the republican party. smart, independent, outspoken, divers foes voices, telling the truth about what is happening in our country. that is what the attack is on. that is what they are trying to silence from happening. >> not only that, but an alliance. fully in agreement and fully understanding and hearing it. >> and voting. kurt bardella and juanita tolliver we will be right back. e right back your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you nee

a ba in the humanities from yale college as we already know. i did not go to yale and a phd in english from columbia university. please give a warmwe savannah welcome to doctor wu. [applause] >> it's wonderful to be here with you all today and i want to thank you to the savannah book festival for having me here. thank you for the wonderful introduction. what they say about southern hospitality is absolutely true. i was welcomed so warmly here by mymy iv counsel and her son, jonathan. to telln you the truth i've ben traveling a lot this last month, kind of a whirlwind since my book came out and i've been feeling a bit homesick and i stumbled in yesterday to the bookstore. the space was light and radiant and filled with books that felt like friends and i felt right at home, so thank you, savanna. so, savanna has a special place in the story that i'm about to tell. it's special because it's the first stop on the thousand mile journey. the first thing that i did when i came into savanna a few days ago is i went straight to johnson square which is w

she holds a ba from yale as we know, i did not go to yale, and a ph.d. in english. please give a warm welcome to dr. ilyon woo. [applause] >> it's wonderful to be here with you all today and i want to thank you, thank you to the savannah book festival for having me here. thank you for that wonderful introduction. what they say about southern hospitality is absolutely true. i was welcomed so warmly here by my sponsor, ivy council, and her son jonathan. to tell you the truth i've been travelling a lot this last month, kind after whirlwind since my book came out and i was feeling home sick and i stumbled in yesterday to e-shaver's bookstore and it was light and radiant and filled with books that felt like friends and i felt right at home. so, thank you, savannah. so, savannah has a special place in the story about william and ellen craft that i'm about to tell. it's special because it's the first stop on their thousand mile journey. and i, the first thing that i did when i came into savannah a few days ago is i went straight to johnson square, which is where i discover

and so yale asked 100 ceos if i.a.howe, but then 34% said that 10 years from now, and 42% added up says that this is not a risk decades from now, but in the not too distant future, and this is coming after a number of leading figures have been sounding alarm. and jeffrey hinton, the godfather of a.i. says that there is a risk that it is so smart to manipulate humans and override restrictions put in place, and clearly, there are yale professors who told me about the findings from the ceos who told me this spret ti dark and alarming. >> destroying human is pretty dark. >> and for those who say no way, no how, and so i do have to get in mind that a lot of people don't understand all of the potential here, and the risks and the rewards, but we have to take it seriously. >> i feel like it is not going to destroy humanity is going to be a great thing to bet on necessarily, but what can we do to prevent the utter destruction. >> the doomsday headlines will get all of the attention, but for other items like a.i. meaning misinf

i originated the character 30 something years ago at yale. >> stephen: you were in this play and he playedacter who is played by carl who was a really good friend of mine at the time. >> stephen: so this is 1987. was this still in development? was august wilson working on the play with the all? > yes, when we started previews, he would come in with new pages during the day and we will rehearse and learn them that night, which is kind of what we are doing now, but we are not learning new things. but we are still rehearsing, because we are in previews which means you have to go to rehearsal all day and then do a show at night. we are doing twice as many shows as we will do when the show opens. >> stephen: what was his process like? he is one of the greats of world theater, what was that like to work with him? >> you talk about the characters during the day and lloyd richards was directing who was head of the department at yale doing it. so we develop the characters and talk about them, talk about the things that they wanted what the goals were. that was my character and what was going on in

a pilot in the united states navy and our daughter graduated from yell law and married to -- from yale and married to a wonderful guy. i started in 1975, i was that you democratic party coordinator -- i was the youth democratic party coordinator. i have to tell you, when i heard the voice of the 40th president of the united states, i joined the reagan revolution and i never looked back. [applause] the most important decision i made came on a hillside. 1978. as a freshman in college. i traveled to a christian is accessible taking place at a school called ashford university -- asberry university. on the hillside, it is -- was as if i heard it for the first time. for god so loved the world, that he gave his only son. for a heartbroken with gratitude, for what had been done for me on the cross, i walked down and i accepted jesus christ as my personal lord and savior in my life has never been the same -- and my life has never been the same. [applause] i am a christian and conservative and republican in that honor. i was a leader among house conservatives and fought along the faultlines. i w

she is herself a graduate of yale, earning a b.a. in american studies, followed by a ph.d. in history from columbia university. she is the author of the day wall street exploded a story of america in its first age of terror, which examined the history of terrorism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. in addition to her teaching and research, professor gage writes for numerous journals and magazines, including the new yorker, new york times and washington post. she has won numerous awards for her teaching and academic work, and in 2021 was nominated by president joe biden to serve on the national humanities council. the advisory board to the national endowment for the humanities. her most recent work, published just last year, is titled man j. edgar hoover and the making of the american century. i've known about this book throughout its gestation period, in part because reports from several of her yale colleagues who have been speakers in our great lives series. i had been alerted that it would be a phenomenal book, which it turned out to be. but even so, i was astonis

yale. oh wow, you are modest.his most winning moments talking about his record to trial legislation and talking how he filled up oil reserve. he can stick to policy and have that chart. it will be closed to my card to close at 30-point gap. doable hard. >> harris: easily where president trump does his best. nobody can message like he can't because he is a marketer. he knows intimately like why he chose his policies. >> ainsley: he is relatable to the man that are the hard workers. the blue-collar workers here they look to him to say, wow, e he became a billionaire. he talks like us, act like us, maybe we can do that too. he is an inspiration to a lot of people. he has a fighter. they like that about him. in that speech, i noticed he had an interesting response to ron desantis. look, i can give you eight years. and he said, eight years? who needs eight years! i can do this in six months. come on, if it takes eight years you don't deserve the position. i thought that was interesting. they are learning how to have in

ray fair at yale has done a model long time and showing real disposable income or real wages and that'ss: down 26 months in a row, year over year. 26 months in a row year over year and fairs so poorly in the economy. charles: that's exactly right. >> ordinary folks, middle class folks, even lower middle class folks and low income folks get slaughtered by this. that's the perilous point for joe biden and i think a lot of people are figuring that out. he's in denial about it. it all stems from the overinflation and they're overpumping and it's very sticky and feds own projections look at longer term, there was allowsy 1.8% forever and the same as congressional progression. prog. i'm a crazed growth guy and supplier and trump guy and this economy should be growing at 3.4 to 4 or in the shorter run, 5, 6, 7% and cut the taxes and regulations. charles: you and president trump proved it and without gimmicks and debt and mortgaging the future of our country or triggering 40 year high inflation. you proved it through what you said. get the regulations out of the way, lower taxes and let people

yale asked 100 ceos a several but kind of scary question. can ai wipe out humanity?relatively speaking is that more than half. 58% say, no. no way. never. never could this happen, but 8% say, yes. potentially after five years and 34% said, say potentially in ten years. add it up. 42% saying ai poses a potential existential risk not decades into the future but the next five to ten years. crazy to hear that. yale professor jeff son feldt told me he found these findings to be "dark and alarming." none of this is to say that ai itself is evil. we know that it has great potential here to transform health care and education and transportation. i mean, anyone who's used chatgbt for a few minutes can see enormous potential, but we're hearing more and more warnings from the business community and from tech leaders, recently we heard from jeffrey hidden, the godfather of ai. he came out saying there is a risk that ai gets so smart that it could manipulate humans and, ge t -- recently said regulatory intervention by governments is critical to mitigate the risk of increasingly p

the cashier at yale happen to be from congo and i ended up staying with her in-laws.s inside perspective, living with a local family instead of living in a hotel, i began report on the country. i bought a one-way ticket and began report on the country. for me it was a remarkable education in journalism. because every day the stories i published for the associated press, the news was criticized by my neighbors on the street. i would go and drink beer with them or by cell phone credit in the evening. they would scold me and tell me how my reporting was helping or hurting their country and holding me accountable at a street level, which is a rare experience as an international reportable said usually you find in nicer hotels and dining with the elite of the country. here i was, very ordinary, middle-class, lower middle-class people living almost and conditions a candidate a slum. that was a particular experience of reporting and education and that is how i learned about international reporting. from the congo i moved to rwanda . i went to rwanda to teach a classroom of a

bishop william barber is the co-chair of the poor peoples campaign and founding director of the yalefor public theology. on sunday he delivered his final sermon after serving 3 years as the pastor of his north carolina church. and he joins me now. they should thank you fo coming on the show a lot of people are celebratin juneteenth today but you've juneteenth is not a celebration but rather a day o which a lie wasn't done. can you break that down for us >> i think it would do us disservice we turn this into a time of dancing and celebratin rather than organizing, trut telling, protesting, and looking honestly not just at what lie was told but, the lie that are told today. we actually then enabl extremists the second thing is we have to be clear about these cultura wars, trying to ban books on kindle in google they are just trying to get us to not face reality. when - people have been lied to, they were upset when they heard about it with started doing was saying how can we get full citizenship. well, today we shouldn't b bothered that in this countr we have 40 plus million people who

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but to pit asian kids against black and brown kids when so many kids at campuses like yale where i went to, princeton where i taught, half the white kids are there because of legacy. they're there because their granddaddy was there. my granddaddy couldn't be there. to pit black and brown kids against asian kids is wrong. if you want to knock down the doors of unfairness, start with more than half the white kids are there because their families were there in the past. our families couldn't have gotten there in the past and maybe now not in the future. >> when chief justice writes that race at harvard and unc was being used as a negative and as a stereotype, what's your reaction to that? >> first of all, as a yalie, leave it to harvard to screw it up for the rest of us. just because that program wasn't perfectly designed, they used that program deliberately. they picked it to knock down every other program in the country forever, in other countries where policies and other campuses were using other approaches. this is not just the wheels of justice. this was a deliberate strategy by a gro