joined by paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university and professor of microbiology at the el school of medicine. paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university professor of microbiology at yale school of medicine is really great to have you with us so much to talk about. all right so 1st bank 1st countries are gradually lifting lockdown measures which is understandable as economies sort of falling apart and people need to get back to work but it is this is still with us there are new cases all the time look at germany look at south korea would you say it's too early to start looking like dollars frictions oh 1st thank you for having me it's a pleasure to be here and i think the concern that you raise is a very important question when exactly to reopen aggressively do we reopen because people are getting understandably anxious either from. being unable to work just being at home mental illness is you start to kick in and yet at the same time we know as you mentioned there are plenty of asymptomatic cases there's plenty of spread yet to happen and it's

this i'm joined by paul turner carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university and professor of microbiology at yale school of medicine. paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university professor of microbiology at yale school of medicine is really great to have you with us so much to talk about. all right so 1st bank 1st countries are gradually listing lockdown measures which is understandable as economists sort of falling apart and people need to.

i'm joined by paul turner cars and professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university and professor of microbiology at yale school of medicine. paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university good.

of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university and professor microbiology. paul turner rachel carson professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at yale university professor of latin biology at yale school of medicine it's really great to have you with us selma. all right so 1st thank 1st countries are it out gradually lifting lockdown measures which is understandable as economists sort of falling apart and people need to get back to work but it is it is still with us there are new cases all the time and look at germany look at south korea what do you say it's too early to start looking dollars frictions well 1st thank you for having me it's a pleasure to be here and i think the concern that you raise is a very important question when exactly to reopen how aggressively do we reopen because people are getting understandably anxious either from being unable to work just being at home mental illness if you start to kick in and yet at the same time we know as you mentioned there are plenty of asymptomatic cases there's plenty of spread yet to happen and it's a very delicate balance between when should we reopen and when can we go ahead with many antivirals vaccine research everything that we can do to

manisha juthani from yale school of medicine and juliette kayyem. a former assistant secretary at department of homeland security. >> dr. juthani, we'll talk about where we're going, we're in a new stage but i continue to be struck by the number of new deaths reported ever day. still over 2,000. if you look at this graphic, basically flat over two weeks. more than 2,000 new deaths a day. in terms of new cases, it's the same story. we're around 30,000 new cases every day. it seems to me that we talk about a second wave is possible. we're just in a wave that isn't subsiding, at least not yet. what does that tell you? >> so, good morning, john. i think that the deaths, one thing we have to remember about that is that once people become critically ill with covid-19, often they are in an icu. they're on a ventilator and because we don't have any therapeutics for covid-19, all we're doing is the best critical care that we can. these patients tend to stay on a ventilator for two weeks, sometimes longer. so icu stays might be a month or so. people do get bet

she's from yale school of medicine. great to see both of you. john, wow. what happened in wisconsin last night is just a fascinating experiment for all of us to see what happens when you immediately sort of open the flood gates. wisconsin state supreme court decided that the stay-at-home orders were to end immediately and you see people reveling in their freedom. they are not practicing social distancing. the wisconsin supreme court was sort of divided down party lines with the conservatives voting one way, the liberals voting one way. here's what a conservative judge said. this way to control every aspect of a person's life is something we associate with a prison, not a free society governed by the rules of law. what do you see here? >> pandemics don't care about partisan politics. but politics make us stupid to the extent we start ignoring signs. this shouldn't be dividing. regions should have different standards in place. but you've got republicans and conservative justices denying effectively not just the legitimate si of the public governor but health

harvey riche in the yale school of medicine per he concludes five studies, including two controlled clinicalrials that speed 17 said we need that significant thesemedications need to be widy available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe it. here to respond, dr. william grace, oncologist and hematologist. you've been with us from the original medicine cabinet onhe "the ingraham angle" from the very beginning. what do you make of this obsession with trying to malign the use of an age-old antimalarial that has had clear antiviral properties? what's going on? >> what's going on is people are playing politics and that's been made by the mainstream media and many epidemics. you've got to keep the politics out of this and the scientists working hard. basically we have to fight this war, to date we fought the war in the hospitals which is both expensive, more embedded, and mortal. so we have remdesivir, one drug which can reduce the death rate from 11% to maybe 8%. butt where we should be fighting this war is in the outpatient, and all the outpatient clinics were closed in the initi

manisha juthani is with us from the yale school of medicine. >> former assistant secretary at department of homeland security, juliette kayyem. >>> what we're hearing is okay, if we're going to reopen, how do we do it safely? the cdc put together this book. a 17-page book of guidelines for all kinds of organizations how to do it. but this is what the a.p. reports this morning. the 1-page report by the -- 17-page report entitled guidance for implementing the safe reopening of america as they begin to reopen. it was supposed to be given friday. but they were told the guidance would never see the light of day according to a cdc official. why on earth wouldn't you want people to see this advice? >> because if there's no guidance, there is no pandemic. this is now the strategy of the white house. yesterday, i was thinking we all have kids. it's like when young kids play hide and seek and they're supposed to hide. so they do this so that they think no one sees them. this is exactly the strategy of the white house. if you don't have hearings, if you doesn't have press conferences from the cdc,

joining us now is an associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at yale school of medicine. also with us this morning, cnn political analyst. the question that dr. anthony fauci asked overnight is how much death, how much suffering are we willing to accept? and i do think the answer we are getting from more leaders and at least some americans is more. and, david, i want you to listen to what former new jersey governor chris christie told our dana bash. listen to this. >> we sent our young men during world war ii over to europe out to the pacific knowing, knowing that many of them would not come home alive. and we decided to make that sacrifice because what we were standing up for was the american way of life. in the very same way now we have to stand up for the american way of life. what are those lives going to be worth if people can't go to work? if they can't support their families? if they're going to become homeless? you know, if they have to good to food banks every week to be able to feed their families? that's not sustainable either. >> david, i wonder what you think

joining us now is an infectious disease specialist and associate professor of medicine at epidemiology at yale school of medicine. and cnn political commentator joe lockhart. he was the white house press secretary under president clinton. great to see both of you. doctor, "the new york times" reports they got an email from dr. fauci so we have a little bit of a preview about the warning that he plans to give to congress to this senate commit tie and all americans. the quote is if we skip over the checkpoints in it the guidelines to reopen american again, this will risk danger of multiple outbreaks. this would set us back on our quest to return to normal. what are you listening for today? it's been a long time, actually, since we've heard from dr. fauci. what do you need to hear from him today? >> i think we're going to hear a lot of what we're expecting to hear, what he has consistently been saying throughout this pandemic. that if we move too quickly, that there may be endless suffering as the quote you said. so i think that i am looking to hear from him the same guidance that he's been saying, but

of the american medical association, dr. patrice harris and dr. f. perry wilson and social professor at medicine at yale university school of medicine. dr. harris, these images we are seeing across the country of people crowded together, a lot of people not wearing masks. are these possible outbreaks just waiting to happen? >> well, we know that masks do help, as dr. birx said this morning, the science is clear. and so, if people do not wear a mask, if people decide not to stay at least six feet apart and gather in large crowds, there certainly a risk that we will see increase in the number of infections and in the number of cases. i think, though, that the good news is that we did also see photos of people on the beaches. and we understand that people want to get out, and we did see photos where people were staying six feet apart and weren't wearing masks. and the polls show that most folks in this country are wearing and believe that we should continue these best public health practices, so that is the good news. but certainly for those folks who are not and are in close contacts, they're at increased risk of infection. >> and when we

graduate of the university of virginia, received a phd from yale and from the north carolina school of medicinend he plays the guitar very well. dr. garyill hear from disbrow. ofserves as acting director the biomedical advanced research development authority and is responsible for making sure that it is focused on the innovation, advanced research development and procurement of medical countermeasures such as diagnostic tests critical to preventing and combating covid-19 and other health threats we face. he has been at barta for more than 10 years. he joined in 2007. smallpoxworking on the vaccine program. since then he has served as the deputy assistant for preparedness response at the u.s. to permit of health and human services. in 2014 and 2015, he was named the ebola incident coordinator a key role in the efforts that led to the first licensed ebola vaccine. prior to joining, he was an assistant professor of oncology and pathology at georgetown university medical center, where he focused on vaccines and therapeutics. he received his undergraduate from the university of rochester and a phd f

think we are lucky to have this graduate of the university of virginia who received a phd from yale and from the north carolina school of medicine who plays the guitar very well. dr. gary,ll hear from who is broadly experienced as well. i have asked them to summarize his written testimony in five minutes. he is the acting director of the biomedical advanced research development authority and is responsible for making sure that barca is focused on innovation and advanced research and development. such as diagnostic tests, the subject today, critical to preventing and combating covid-19 and other health threats that we face. ta has been at bar to -- bar for more than 10 years and started working on the smallpox effect seen program there and has served as the deputy assistant for preparedness response in the u.s. department of health and human services. 2014, 2015, he was named the ebola incident coordinator for bar chat and played a key role in the efforts that led to the first license ebola vaccine. prior to joining, he was an assistant professor of oncology and apology at the georgetown university medical center, where andocused