book on the voting rights act of 1965 had begun as my undergraduate thesis, was published by yale university pressn i was in grad school. my second book on the fbi's pursuit of dr. king came out in 1981 and got a fair amount of attention. that was the lead-up to my big biography of dr. king bearing the cross that won a pulitzer in 1987. brian: why did it win a pulitzer? david: i think one way i would answer that is that the pulitzer board at this time had a number of people on it who were former civil rights journalists. brian: new york times. david: yes, so they were familiar with civil rights historiography and if i can say so, what a significant step forward that book represented compared to earlier work. back in 1986, civil rights historiography was just starting to gain strength. it is a whole lot more of an active field now than it was when i started interviewing people in 1979. brian: what did you have in the book that nobody knew before it came out? david: i think with dr. king, the fundamental piece of this was how deep his faith grounding was. this was someone who had a self sacrificial

my editor and yale university press for helping in that effort. have spent most of the last four or five years tied up in the book. i hope others think it was time well spent. host: we are out of time, but what level should you be at to be able to read this and understand it? who did you write for? guest: certainly not for professional economists were engineers -- economists were engineers -- economists or engineers. anybody who is interested in the way the economy works, washington works, fascinated by wireless technology, and just where we are in terms of this extraordinarily wonderful and disruptive set of opportunities that society has, and understanding how these opportunities came to be, some of the hurdles that have had to be overcome, and some of the barriers still in place, where we could do a lot better if we understood the market better. host: again, our guest has been thomas hazlett. the book is "the political spectrum: the tumultuous liberation of wireless technology, from herbert hoover to the smartphone." we thank you very much for

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it's published by yale university press, and it's about soviet espionage in the united states from 1933 to roughly 1945. that's the focus of that book. it's like that. and i thought, what the hell, i'll just take a look and see if there's a reference to hemingway in here. not just a reference to hemingway, there's like a chapter on hemingway. [laughter] it's a chapter about ernest. and the key document in there, and if you all are interested, i if can get into more about their authenticity. but the key document in there says that at the end of 1940, beginning of 1941 either december '40 or january 1941, hemingway agreed to become a spy for the nkvd which was the predecessor of the kgb that we know much better in the cold war. and so since this is a book about soviet espionage and not about ernest hemingway, it doesn't really talk about what this means in the context of hemingway's life and work. it just, it talks about hemingway in the context of soviet espionage in the united states. and let me tell ya, it was stunning, the amount of soviet espionage between 1933 and 1945 by any standa

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