interlocutor is a famous lithuanian writer dissident human rights defender professor of yale university thomas good evening mr. vienna hello i can hear you. thank you. i want to talk to you . in the background of this war, it is experiencing what lithuanian society experienced in the 90s , that is, on the one hand, it is the return of one's own identity, on the other hand, it is an attempt to somehow part with the imperial experience , and it is not always easy. societies, i mean from a civilizational cultural point of view. well, you are right, that is, apparently, ukraine is passing with some delay, that we passed 30 years ago, but unfortunately, in much more difficult conditions, we had a short the war that led to the death of 14 people, you have a serious war , alas, this is a disturbing situation for everything, for me, it ’s a game. well, for society. she finds opportunities that she herself did not expect. well, i can say that we in lithuania and ukraine , generally speaking, go through a very similar historical path of neighboring centuries, you can start from the 13th century, because our