direct conflict-conflict, but such a tense situation arose because, for example , my colleague yana brinzeeva, a journalist in the hall, asked a question , the issue was that ms. slavenka had written her last book, and yana said that it was such a cold shower for her, because there the author described the russian mother of a fallen soldier and the ukrainian mother of a fallen soldier, and actually put they are about one plane, let's listen to this question, i.e. at the extreme point and so and so becomes a mother... who lost her son, lost her son, but the russian woman and the russian man could not come, could not kill, then do they have a common experience, then or when we are talking about the fact that this experience is shared, are we not blurring the line between good and evil, well, now let's listen to what ms. slavenka answered, by the way, it is a very common situation when foreigners, and this happens quite often in the russian media, when... you know the search, here it is from ukrainian from the side of the victim, from the russian side of the victim, let's look at these people an