yannis stournaras greek finance minister, met with mario draghi yesterday.cb moved. today, all eyes on berlin as the greek finance minister meets with wolfgang schaeuble. the greeks are hoping that meeting goes somewhat differently. francine: let's hope it goes better than the one with the ecb and the one on thursday. in 25 minutes from now it is "surveillance" with tom keene. what are we looking at? blackrock cofounder, right? tom: the headline float out of europe forces us to rip up bloomberg "surveillance." we focus on secretary kerry landing in kiev and the challenges ukraine has with their devaluation. a panic mood as one official put it. as john knows the ukrainian hryvnia has depreciated as much as 25%. many people to talk to. gilles will join us from bank of america-merrill lynch. we will talk about ukraine greece. ukraine more immediate. pete peterson across both hours of bloomberg "surveillance." and then thorsten from deutsche bank on the u.s. economy as we go to tomorrow's jobs report. francine: the ukraine conversation is going to be fascinating

acknowledged -- yannis stournaras acknowledge that will be a serious cash flow problem in march or aprilhe was not specific. how will greece deal with the problem if you flunked out of capital markets and there is new -- no new bailouts? he said it is possible the ecb money greece owes could be paid to the imf because the big question is how is brief going to make the next installment payment to the imf cap requests for ecb could stand in and give them money. also possible to imf could give grief permission to do -- gree ce permission to do what it did before to issue group treasury bills. yavaroufakis could we not do it now gekk if? he said why would they want us to trip over such a small and relative terms cash flow problem you go back? >> that sounds pretty good -- dicey. how much of it is greek people or perhaps people from elsewhere that have made a lot of deposits in the greek banks gekko >> that is the question i'm afraid i cannot answer. he said it is safe to say this not know the source of the deposits. what he does do is check with the national bank of greece, on a daily basis.