we remember the controversy over convalescent plasma where he was buhl yant about the effects and then a to walk that back. how would we know if the approval process was more political than scientific? would we be able to tell? >> yeah. i think the way to tell, joshua, is to really demand transbarnsy around the data. by the way, that's note unusual for ask for data to be available for scientists and health professionals to review, and just to give viewers some context, we already have at least three large manufacturers that are in phase three trials with several of them ready to wrap up by the end of october, so you have to -- this begs the question what on earth is the urgency and what would you need to do in advance of that end of october date of reyou view in order to do this? and it's hard to believe it's not mill. so i think it's the data and asking for that data to be made available prior or at the time of that emergency use authorization that dr. hahn mentioned. i think it has to be clearly laid out for accountability on dr. hahn, because as you mentioned, she's lost some of tha