yanukovych lost to the people.we were very careful to say we needed elections for a properly elected president of ukraine or -- who the united states would recognize as legitimate leader of ukraine. madeline was there for those elections. that is that side of the equation. when it comes to crimea, it is true that crimea was given to ukraine in 1954 when nikita, recognizing by the way that since it was all the soviet union, it did not matter, in a gesture of friendship, gave crimea to ukraine. but whatever the circumstances, when borders are fixed internationally, it is generally the belief that those borders are then fixed. a referendum that took place under questionable circumstances in crimea under the threat of russian power does not stand the test of a democratic referendum for the future of crimea. and so, that would be my answer. >> i feel that the pictures and everything out of kiev and ukraine were clear about the will of the people. one of the things you left out is yanukovych disappeared. he basically aba

yanukovych lost to the people.we were very careful to say we needed elections for a properly elected president of ukraine or -- who the united states would recognize as legitimate leader of ukraine. madeline was there for those elections. that is that side of the equation. when it comes to crimea, it is true that crimea was given to ukraine in 1954 when nikita , recognizing by the way that since it was all the soviet union, it did not matter in a , gesture of friendship, gave crimea to ukraine. but whatever the circumstances, when borders are fixed internationally, it is generally the belief that those borders are then fixed. a referendum that took place under questionable circumstances in crimea under the threat of russian power does not stand the test of a democratic referendum for the future of crimea. and so, that would be my answer. >> i feel that the pictures and everything out of kiev and ukraine were clear. -- were clear about the will of the people. one of the things you must have -- left out is yanukovych

better standard of living and a ukraine which is different from the previous ukraine under president yanukovych speaking of all acute you know government delivering on the promises that they those protesters wanted ukraine's economy is right now in tatters i mean prices for basic utilities are going up unemployment and so forth how is this going to affect the mood in ukraine now and how those promises are they not being made is that a fair accusation towards the government. all the government can say is the situation is critical we're doing our best we're getting help from abroad and so on but they cannot deliver on the promises made during the revolution because economically as you say the country's you know a very very poor state and this will continue as long as the conflict in eastern ukraine continues because that has to be full first that is the first priority for the government and that's an important industrial part of the country it's important for the economy and it's more or less it stopped functioning so therefore the major problem the president is to provide services food and medic

street protests led to the removal of president in power in february, yanukovych. >> kiev hasn't seencenes like this since the february revolution that drove yanukovych to power and brought the new government to power. there are burning tires here. plumes of black smoke. it's a dark scene here. on the other side of the barricades we're told there's an attempt to clear protestors, activists from the square who have been here since the revolution, since november. there's a feel in kiev. the majority of people i've talked to said they want act s activists to leave. they say those that want to defend kiev should go to the front line. activists say they're not going anywhere. they say they have to be here to defend kiev and keep an eye on the government. as you can tell, they're in masks. many of them in camouflage with weapons. we don't see automatic weapons, but there seems to be a lot of sticks and polls. they say no matter what happens, they are not going anywhere. the question is how the situation will develop. >> david stern in central kiev. here's a rile you probably haven't seen be

>> well, ukraine was bankrupted by the previous government of president yanukovych, so the estimates are different, but apparently between $5-$10 billion were taken out of ukrainian economy by that government alone. so ukraine is today in deep crisis. so one thing that is clear that ukraine on its own will not be able to overcome that crisis. mr. yanukovych's choice was to take $15 billion loan from russia, and the current government certainly relies on support and financial support and derives wealth from the european union and the united states. and that's where the hope lies, that actually they would be able to to turn around economy. i like western money much more than russian money not only because it's dollar/ruble, but because western money comes with strings attached and with control. and after dealing in post-soviet space for 20 years, actually, the landon institutions now have much more expertise and know how to handle this money and how to control it to see what the results are. but that's, basically -- first of all, shock to the ukrainian society as a result of lost terri

former president victor yanukovych banned them but this is happening in the eastern city of donetsk.he pope mentioned ukraine today during sunday prayers. he said, my thoughts go in a special way to the beloved land of ukraine where today is a national holiday to all of the sons and daughters. right now, somalia's government is doing everything it can to take illegal guns off of the streets. but as mohammed adow reports, people aren't necessarily willing to cooperate. here, african union peacekeepers and government troops raid the houses of people they call whether or notteds and suspected militia leaders. officials call this operation a success and say it will continue until they bring back a measure of stability to the country. >> we will not stop until we reach a point where we will need only a warrant of arrest and not guns to arrest criminals. the current chaos cannot continue forever. but not every militia leader has been disarmed. this man is one of those keen on keeping their private armies. he says his men fight for the government and that has earned him enemies. >> the gove

november that's when anti-government protests first started leading to the overthrow of president yanukovych in february people who were shouting slogans from the stage on my done and supported by crowds would go on to become the new government however six months later protesters still seem dissatisfied to with those they helped bring to power and experts believe people feel deceived by the promises made to them from the point of view of these protesters they're going to stay there because they see the revolution as they call it only half done while the government thinks the situation is pretty good we're doing our best we can rebuild roads will but they cannot deliver on the promises made during the revolution actually situations quite ironic to say the least since the revolution seemed to take three hundred sixty degree turn the government they have right now is simply replaced the other and there are simply two point of exit right now were it seems like nothing much exchange overall plus there's a civil war in east. three producers on both sides of the atlantic have wondered russia's ban

uprising in november last year that eventually ended in the overthrow of a then president viktor yanukovych the standoff back then began when city authorities trying to dismantle tents and barricades. but iris moscow based editor of business news europe magazine says the protesters in kiev unhappy with the way the current authorities are using the power given to them by the winter uprising. where there's been purchases that the whole time and the idea they said that they were going to leave or to the government changed because they were told the new government accountable this isn't a matter of mistrust amongst the protestors that the new government was going to go zones erection and they wanted to make sure that the government was going to represent what the people want. there was a pertinent question that came out this morning one of the first this is the saying that you know we simply wanted you and of course the former president to go and that doesn't mean that we signed up for a war there's a lot of people who simply wanted to end the corruption but didn't mean that they wanted to star

then yanukovych was over throw peace my by the peace of ukraine indicating their commitment to being a part of europe vladimir putin had to take crimea because of his desire to have that naval base and access to the mediterranean, then vladimir putin thought that he could excite enough separatist and enough pro-russians in eastern ukraine to establish some sort of area under his control. >> what does do you do next, senator? >> what to do now is impose strong sanctions, we would not even give intelligence information or to ukraine give them the weapons they immediate, give them the wherewithal they immediate, give them the ability to fight. they will fight. and as far as vladimir putin is concerned put strong sanctions, vladimir putin's viewpoint, major he has done pretty well with minimum personality and as long as the europeans are dependent on his energy supplies they are not going to do much. >> senator, i have talk to people at the white house say the last thing that region needs the more weapons that is making the situation worse. you disagree. why do you believe the introducti

then yanukovych was over throw peace my by the peace of ukraine indicating their commitment to being a part of europe vladimir putin had to take crimea because of his desire to have that naval base and access to the mediterranean, then vladimir putin thought that he could excite enough separatist and enough pro-russians in eastern ukraine to establish some sort of area under his control. >> what does do you do next, senator? >> what to do now is impose strong sanctions, we would not even give intelligence information or to ukraine give them the weapons they immediate, give them the wherewithal they immediate, give them the ability to fight. they will fight. and as far as vladimir putin is concerned put strong sanctions, vladimir putin's viewpoint, major he has done pretty well with minimum personality and as long as the europeans are dependent on his energy supplies they are not going to do much. >> senator, i have talk to people at the white house say the last thing that region needs the more weapons that is making the situation worse. you disagree. why do you believe the introducti

november now that's why no protests against the then government first started after former president yanukovych suspended the ukraine e.u. trade agreement shortly after clashes with police erupted the first deaths were reported in the my done violence the three days of february eighteenth to twentieth became the bloodiest in three months of the stand of more than seventy people were killed both protesters and police a deal to settle the crisis was signed by a local village and opposition leaders the following day but riots continued and a new coverage of flights to kiev fled from kiev now the next day the ukrainian parliament the rod appointed an interim government and president presidential elections was for. may twenty fifth however people on my don we're not going anywhere tents and barricades remain on the square despite several on successful attempts by the new authorities to dismantle them far enough as adam as derrick rose says the current situation is all too familiar actually situations quite ironic to say the least since the revolution seem to be taken this is a good return where the

november now that's when the protests against the then government first started after former president yanukovych suspended the ukraine e.u. trade agreement now shortly after clashes with police erupted the first deaths were reported from the my den violence three days of every eighteen to twenty five became the bloodiest in three months of the standoff and more than seventy people were killed by protesters and police a deal to settle the crisis was signed by a local vision opposition leaders the following day but dry is continued and you know coverage flat here the next day the ukrainian parliament to the rod appointed an interim president and the government presidents of elections were set for may the twenty fifth our people on my done we're not going anywhere tents and barricades remained on the square despite several unsuccessful attempts by the new of forward cheese to dismantle them foreign affairs analyst jericho rose says of the current situation is all too familiar. actually situation's quite ironic to say the least since the revolution seemed to be taken to see the return where the situ

they gave the then government first started following a decision by the former president viktor yanukovychto suspend a ukrainian trade agreement shortly after clashes with police erupted in the first deaths were reported in the mine done violence three days in february became the bloodiest in other three months standoff more than seventy people were killed both protesters as well as police a deal to settle the crisis was signed by. an opposition leaders the following day but why it's continued and the president then fled here the next day the ukrainian parliament appointed and into. i'm president and government presidential elections were then called for may twenty fifth how the people on my done when not going anyway attends and barricades remained on the square despite several unsuccessful attempts by the new authorities to dismantle them foreign affairs analyst derek munro says of the current situation is all too familia actually situations quite ironic to say the least since the revolution seem to be taken three times to see the return where the situation as it transpired today keep th

uprising back in november last year that eventually ended in the overthrew other than president yanukovych people burned tires ascending approves of a thick black smoke all over the city center the standoff began when city authorities tried to dismantle tents and barricades. right we're now joined live by ben harris he's a moscow based editor of business news or you're a magazine ben it's good to have you with us so quickly who are these people remaining on my dad and what are their demands now. well there's been purchases the whole time and the idea they said that they weren't going to leave after the government changed because they want to hold the new government accountable there's a sentiment of mistrust amongst the protestors that the new government is going to go its own direction and they want to make sure that the government is going to represent what the people one says. there was a pertinent question that came out this morning and one of the crisis is the saying that you know we simply once again a cold which the former president and that doesn't mean that we signed up for a war

so when they threw out yanukovych him and he had defined his way to moscow to avoid being arrested. for him, that was the ultimate insult. >> exactly. but conspiracy means in this context, charlie, the rose revolution in georgia, a rear quare, this isir s what he fears the most. he is convinced the west and the cia is behind every single one of those. gives them more power because they knew how much power he had in the kgb. >> that psychology is there very much so. theknow, he saw demonstrations in moscow as a potential, the seedling of that kind of uprising. >> the same way the iranian saw the protest after the election. we have to stop that. now. >> completely and utterly. >> what's going to happen? he can be in power whenever he wants. he recognized the constitutional limits the first time. >> he did. how long can he last? what the current policy is now. injuriousns become not only to the country but the interest of the people around putin, then there is trouble. if russia's isolation from the rest of the world, it's poor public image becomes injurious not only to the country but

and it then changes everything that was done in terms of yanukovych's behavior and the democratic aspect. >> this is a very important question. the ukrainian nation has been divided. a significant minority in the eastern part of the country that does not feel comfortable with the ukrainian government in wants some cultural ties with russia, local a time in a may, russian in the schools. is that something that should be taken into account? so, and i think that one of the things the new ukrainian government and leadership has talked about is in a democratic process, in the context of a unitary ukraine, having a debate about what kind of autonomy, greater autonomy different regions, and eastern region in particular, might have . in terms of assuring the rights of the russians, their language, their religion, so on and so forth. but i think the thing has to take place within the framework -- it's like we used to talk about with iraq. we can talk about autonomy. when i would go to talk to them, it has to be in the context of we will support you and you need to have autonomy, but it is within

>> well, first of all, yanukovych was a complete and utter criminal.s a crook who was stealing an enormous amount of money from the people and the people rose up. as much as putin would like to be the paranoiac and think we have something to do with it, america and europe don't have the capacity to do this. it's complete nonsense. the ukrainian people were outraged that this guy was living in a couple hundred million dollar house on a $100,000 salary and stealing. his son was stealing. all these people were stealing. they're now on the sanctions list. they was an uprising, a genuine uprising with hundreds of thousands of ukrainians who went to the streets and didn't want a corrupt president running their country. and in the end, this guy, this crook then ran for cover in russia. i mean, this is not -- this was a genuine ukrainian uprising getting rid of a corrupt -- >> this was indigenous. totally indigenous then? >> totally indigenous. america and europe don't have the capacity to do anything that the russians were accusing us of doing, complete -- >>

poroshenko says the majority of the current parliament outgoing that supported viktor yanukovych whoed with russia. >>> now, mr. poroshenko is expected to meet russian president vladimir putin later today in belarus. they will both be at a trade summit in minsk. it would be the leaders' face-to-face talks since june. >> any hopes of progress in minsk could be tempered by new reports of russian armored vehicles crossing the board near eastern ukraine. >> moscow denies it but does say it's ready to send a second aid convoy to ukraine. the u.s. backs kiev's account. monday night white house national security adviser susan rice said on twitter, "russia's military incurses into ukraine represent significant escalation." >> ongoing battles in eastern ukraine have left weary residents frightened and exasperated wondering when all of this will end. diana magnay has more. >> reporter: this conflict leaves deep gashes in village after village in ukraine's east. the fabric of the day-to-day trashed as war sweeps through. the ukrainians recaptured this town last month and this house was shelled

he says the majority of the outgoing that supported viktor yanukovych who was aligned with russia andge for them. >> translator: he must bear responsibility for this. both criminal and political. a lot of deputies who attend or do not attend parliament sessions are either direct sponsors and accomplices or supporters of rebels and terrorists. >> now, we may have an interesting development on this story today. mr. poroshenko is expected to meet russian president vladimir putin in belarus. they'll both be at a trade summit in minsk. it would be the leaders' first face-to-face talks since june. their aim, to pro-peace tropical depression we are ready to work in any format and help ukrainians find agreements among themselves and help them agree on the parameters they need in order to live in one state respecting all minorities. whether cultural or language or religious ones typical of any region. >> any hopes of progress could be tempered by reports of russians crossing the border into eastern ukraine yet again. >> moscow denies this but does say it's ready to send a second aid convoy int

. >> he says a majority of the outgoing parliament suppoed ousts pretty viktor yanukovych who was alignedhe also accused them of supporting rebels or terrorists. >>> also this, mr. poroshenko is expected to meet russian president vladimir putin later today in belarus. they will be at a trade summit in minsk, the first face-to-face talk jins junior. moscow is ready to promote peace but expectation foss are a break are low after russian armored vehicles now crossing the border into eastern ukraine. >> yes, yet again. moscow denies it but says it's ready to second a second aid convoy to ukraine. ongoing battles have taken a big toll on people there as diana magnay found out life for them is a daily struggle. >> reporter: this conflict leaves deep gashes in village after village in ukraine's east. the fabric of the day-to-day trashed as war sweeps through. the ukrainians recaptured this town last month. this house was shelled by the national guard locals say as they try to push the rebels out. >> translator: our task is to defend this territory and keep law and order because there is looting

he was elected in may to replace viktor yanukovych who was ousted in the february coup.assadors from the 28 nato countries are holding an emergency meeting today. at the united nations, russian abbasid are vitaly churkin accused the ukrainian government of waging war against its own people by attacking cities in eastern ukraine. the current escalation in the southeast of ukraine is a direct consequence of the reckless policies of kiev, which is directing war against its own people. with the support and under the influence of a number of states come of the key of authorities have torpedoed all political agreement on resolving the crisis in the ukraine. >> to talk about the crisis we go to london where we are joined by jonathan steele, the former moscow correspondent for the guardian. he has authored many books including, "eternal russia: yeltsin, gorbachev, and the mirage of democracy." to democracy now! what do think it is most important to understand about the crisis in ukraine right now? >> i think it is russia is trying to prevent ukraine joining nato, which is what s

. >> ukrainian prime minister yanukovych said the government wants to freeze all russian assets. you and i have discussed this. putin's calculations seems to be europe will pay the price and not isolate russia. with each month we get closer to winter, his events seem to be proving him right. >> time is certainly on putin's side and winter will be difficult for ukraine and europe. having said that, ali, i think that putin -- i wouldn't be so sure that putin has a grand strategy. i think he is trying things out, and he is testing. i think that's why he hasn't described this as a direct russian invasion of ukraine. he is still wanting wiggle room. i think we shouldn't assume that putin is going to fully in and take -- and try to take over these parts of ukrainian territory. >> the u.s. state department again said on thursday that the u.s. would supply only non-lethal aid to ukraine. republican senators john mccain and cylindlindsay graham say th helped lead to this situation, this invasion and that defensive weapons need to be sent. i am not really understanding. is the lack of weap

now, parades like these have been banned by ousted president viktor yanukovych, but in the far east of the country fighting persists between pro-russian separatists and the ukranian army. we have this report from the outskirts of luhansk. >> reporter: we are on the road to luhansk, a city under siege. the red cross has been trying to reach the city for several days. the route is too dangerous. this hospital, close to the front line is running out of supplies, and they are dependent on the red cross for help. >> mostly are victims of shellings. we can see from the medical - from that one. >> on a visit to kiev, the german chancellor called for an effective ceasefire. she warned that russia could face fresh sanctions if it failed to bring about an end to the conflict. >> the plans are on the table about how to achieve peace with each other. actions must follow. i think many initiatives have been taken from the ukranian side. >> in luhansk, the week and vulnerable are suffering the most. >> 83-year-old person here was injured sitting on a park bench. she'll never walk again. high above lu

first by supporting yanukovych. second by taking crimea. in each case was a response to perceived opportunities. certainly they want to control ukraine and keep it out of naton. but a lot of the steps to doing that are really a response to the west. >> were they mistakes? >> i think they were mistakes because i do not think the kremlin expected the degree of resistance from ukraine, from the ukrainian military since april and may. if you consider ukraine like russians, which is not the case, you'll expect a far more mild guest than they actually have. >> what does vladimir putin want? you suggested this and ultimately he does not want nato at his doorstep. is it that simple? >> it's more complicated. he does not want nato at its doorstep and he does not want ukraine associated with the european union. he's embarked on a foreign policy and ukraine is one part of that broader objective. >> keeping enato away, that sees possible. but keeping ukraine out of the uk -- >> ukraine is going to sign the association great. a lot of members are wobbly

at the end of the sochi olympics, maybe the opportunity when viktor yanukovych fled tov, vladimir putin decided invade and take over crimea. the russian duma and next -- annexed it. we have seen a rather deliberate campaign to support -- >> hold on. >> here he is. [applause] how was the car ride? >> fortunately the colorado state patrol was nowhere in sight. [laughter] >> we won't tell. we were filibustering until you made your very dramatic entrance and i was posing the first question. what unites the panel is madeleine started her life in czechoslovakia. she had to be concerned about russia. condi did her dissertation. bob, a career soviet specialist in the central intelligence agency. they have all lived in this issue. >> so have you. >> i have as well. we have seen the formal annexation of crimea and have seen a deliberate policy to destabilize eastern ukraine through russian military forces. intelligent support. ukraine is in the throes of a civil war. we have russian troops on the borders of that part of eastern ukraine. the question for the three of you, is this the most serious

this is about putin absolutely scared to death that he'll be run out of the country, like the yanukovych, the ukrainian president, and potentially going to jail or possibly even worse. and so, he's a desperate -- >> bill, explain to me for a second. what you've said is he's basically unleashed the popular sentiment of the russian people, and that somehow makes him vulnerable and requires him to do more in order to keep and preserve this nationalistic sentiment at high levels without it turning against him. why is there a risk that any national sentiment will turn against him, requiring him to continue to do more? >> well, so, once you sort of take off the lid of nationalism and you get everyone all riled up and nationalistic and so on, if he all of a sudden compromises and backs down, then all those people who are all riled up will say, wait a second, i thought you were nationalistic. then some other guy will show up and say, you know, if putin is too weak, i'm going to go and do this stuff and i'm going to arrest that guy who's too weak. >> do you think an invasion, whether it's guised

sooner because we were in combination with the europeans to overthrow an elected government of yanukovych. so we were the one that participated in the coup, threw him out, and now we're blaming russia for everything. so, russia happens to have an argument, a little stronger than ours. ukraine, especially crimea, was part of russia for most of a thousand years. so, people should back off a little bit. the perfect solution would be to get russia to mover out, united states to move out and let the ukrainians solve the problem. but under these circumstances the only thing that i might have more of a moral authority or input is i can talk about our own government. and that is that we shouldn't do these things because they're not good for us and they're wrong. but for us to go and look for fights continuously, because the war drums are beating and it's very dangerous. they don't think there while marriage war. i don't think there will be aground war either, but they said -- obama said no boots on the ground. well, we have boots on the ground. we have special forces over there and thecry agents