navpa, and block the driving of three of these options against russia constantly max thank you yaroslav voyko joins us by phone, we established a connection yaroslav, we congratulate you once again, can you hear us mr. yaroslav, i can hear you well. it's wonderful. and kurt volker gave an interview. and here we are for the second day discussing what he said there, this is a former special representative let's remind the us department of state for ukraine and he said that regarding ukraine and georgia and when they can become nato members despite the fact that part of their territories are occupied by russia, volker considers it possible to apply the so-called rasmusin formula, which was proposed two years ago by the former nato secretary general, it provides for an agreement between nato and the candidate countries that they do not return the occupied territories by force. he said that in the case of georgia this is possible, at the same time he said that this formula is not suitable for ukraine now because russia attack destroyed such an opportunity . please comment on these words of bulker.