barak tried to achieve and what ehud olmert tried to achieve -- they try to make the first with yasser arafat and the second with abu mazen. >> i am not going to go to it, but i am not going to give up trying again. and moreover, part of it has to do with psychology. we are not dealing with psychology at all. the fact that there is no discussion, no trust is adverse to their ability to reach an agreement. yesterday, i had a meeting with the leader of the sinn fein, and may i remind you, he was an outcast. he came to palestine and we had breakfast and i said, jerry, tell me what was the moment of truth when you guys moved, and he told me it was when they came to realize they would not achieve it in any other way. both sides. and also, there was a unique configuration of leaders, and one of them is bill clinton, who knew how to work on the psychology of the leaders and the people. this is part of it. and nobody is dealing with it. i spoke to all the mazen. i said, people say that even if i negotiate with you, you will never make peace with us, and he laughed and said, i am sure we can reach an