i mean, you're at university, you become a student activist for yasser arafat's faction, fatah in theat stage. i mean, is angry is the right word? is hatred the right word? rejection and resentment. i'll tell you. with all honesty, the generation that has gone through the nakba has made sure that we do not have rage and hatred, but we had resentment. so i grew up, of course, until i got to 13 years old, 12 years old, and i started becoming much more, uh, in a way aware of the reality of the oppression, of the collective oppression. now by the first intifada, the first real experience came to me when my school went out in protest. it was popular. intifada is popular, non—violent, non—armed resistance by people, by ordinary people, students, uh, women, what have you. so i went out with the school in a march. it was a peaceful march. now, the israeli army that i was watching as a small little child all the way, that vulgar, unwelcome old thing. i saw their action for the first time. right directly. they started shooting at the demo. six were killed instantly. i saw some of them. some of

all new wednesday at 9:00 on hgtv >> is 20 years this week since palestinian leader yasser arafat died. he embodied decades of the palestinians, often violent struggle for independence and then he became a partner for peace with israel under the u.s. backed oslo accords. arafat's legacy is complicated a terrorist to his enemies while to his supporters a hero who put the quest for palestinian statehood on the international agenda and ended up working closely with israel and the united states to achieve that goal. so from my archives flashback to world leaders reacting to his death in 2004 and what his exit has meant for the palestinian cause for 40 years, yasser arafat was a world leader through all his incarnations as revolutionary guerrilla leader peacemaker, nobel peace prize winner and eventually seen by israel and the u.s. as a terrorist reaction to his death has poured in from all over the world. french president jacques chirac was the last head of state to see him. it was on his deathbed in a french hospital today. he went to pay his respects to the family president yasser arafat

and then you think about bill clinton striking the deal with yasser arafat of the plo and itzhak rabinf israel, toes low accords. rabin was assassinated -- the ott low accords. i looked at this and i think one of the smartest things the first trump administration did were ey just did an end run around the palestinian leadership here. and who's going to negotiate with hamas or hezbollah, whoever is supposedly in charge at this point? >> i think you've made a great point that there have been some noble efforts, and you applaud those, and those are important. liz: absolutely. >> but the abraham accords really did move something forward that was historic. and, quite frankly, if donald trump had had a second term, i think they would have gone further. i hope that in his second term it will move to a new level. because there's a lot more to be gained when israel has relationships diplomatically, relationships with trade and tourism with the nations all throughout the middle east. there's no reason for them to be enemys. the exception would be the iranian government. because they're the ones

and we traveled to lots of bad places, you know, met with the president of yemen, yasser arafat, many assad, he talked to people that would be that would make him under these standards. he would be ineligible to be u.s. senator. so i don't think that talking to our adversaries necessarily disqualifies you for anything. let's here is, you know as john said, let's hear her views now. let's see what she has to say. now. she she expressed positions, perhaps in the past that she doesn't hold. now, listen, we did this with kamala harris kamala harris said positions just in 2019 that we were expected to look away from. somehow she never disavowed lots of those positions. so let's let's give her some grace. let's let her testify and let's see what she has to say. >> there's a challenge with grace when it comes to national security, right there. >> there are. and there are several of us who have had high security clearances here. and you understand that when they go through your history, they're looking to see financial vulnerabilities. they're looking to see any family ties, vulnerabilities a

journalist now for so many years but i can remember when i covered the middle east i would talk to yasser arafat in bay route and a few weeks later i'm talking to the eader? jerusalem and part of doing the job means. mika said her own dad, although he wasn't a journalist, was always talking to people. i think we need to keep that in mind. two things. we are in the news business and we are in the truth business. >> david, also, i remember during the first term at one point. you may not even remember this phone call. i was walking through the airport and you politely said every day, joe, every day, it's the same thing on your show. when you can find common ground, find common ground and talk about it. i've noticed you do that. i will tell you when so many people were in shock and mika and i were surprised, too, after the election result. your first column was talking about how donald trump had the possibility to move us closer to peace in the middle east. i think that was a very important column to write at the time. again, i thought i was a little sproifed surprised when i read it after the elect