prior to him, dirk yeager was only ceo for 18 months. that shows that the board can act quite quickly to make decisions if a ceo is not perform. of course, bob mcdonald has been there for a few years now. >> linda, hopefully you can answer this question. when ackman says he thinks the stock is undervalued -- undervalued compared to what? in your opinion, is he right? if he's right, what should the multiple be? >> well, no, i don't think that proctor is undervalued. i have a three average rating on the stock. i have actually a $62 price target. proctor is trading at, you know, a modest discount to colgate. both colgate and proctor & gamble are relatively expensive stocks compared to others in the market. >> all right. linda, we're going to leave it there. thanks for your time. >> i've got an idea for the ceo. ron johnson. he's going to need a new job soon. >> i was going to say, ackman doesn't have the best recent track record. >> isn't the end game here, though, for ackman to try and break up the company as he did with fortune brands, as