yearfully, earlier this the supreme court in espinoza versus montoya -- montana department of revenue struck down another blow against blaine amendments by reinforcing their earlier decision in the trinity lutheran case. would you discuss briefly with us the supreme court's jurisprudence regarding these amendments and how they intersect with religious freedom? judge barrett: sure. recent supreme court's decisions get at the principle that while we have to be careful about the establishment because, there is a line of cases saying that a state or federal government cannot establish a church, so we have a line of cases about what that means. at the same time, espinoza being an example, the court has been clear that religious institutions cannot be discriminated against or excluded from public programs simply because they are religious. during your time on the second circuit you have been able to handle cases involving religious freedom issues. for example, you joined a majority opinion in the gross case upholding a freedom of a jewish religious own discretion to hire teachers at school.