anything or basically a shuffling on the deck.en >> you have b working on juvenile justice reform for 30 yeayo. what dthink of the governor's plan? >> first of all, i applaud govern newsome. when is the last time a governor took this issue on? the problem is, historically, what governors have done when faced with problems in the youth correction system, they take the existing institutions and move them someplace else under the belief that's going to change things. the last time was 2005 when governornold schwarzenegger did it. now, here we are in 2019. we have had the same problems manifesting themselves. >> why is that? if you take something away fm the correctional medepat, different staff, different culture, perhaps, or not really? >> that's the problem. take the existing institutions with the existing staff and move them to another entity with, essentially, an administrative umbrella. you have the same staff. you have the same culture. it's not just the culture with the staff,sut the k there. these are violent institutions. a lot of kids come from urban centers, divide into gangs. you have