[laughter] >> director yekutiel: thank you so much, chair borden. director jones, good to see you again. i want to follow in the footsteps of director heminger and answer either or questions. i would suggest looking at which transit only lanes you'd rather invest in and ensure are successful as possible. part of the thing to ask director jones about planning is understanding as business does come back, which transit only lanes has highest value on speeds with the least amount of impact potentially on the ability of small businesses to operate on these corridors. on some of them, they've been put in on streets that don't have a lot of commercial activity. some of them there's more. we don't know what the future is going to hold. my sense on answerings that question is to get the ones that have been implemented kind of studied and work as best as they can. if that is a tradeoff that needs to be made. >> director yekutiel, i look forward to continued exploration of this issue. i think street with great transit can be a really great catalyst for small b

. >> chair borden: director yekutiel has a question? >> director yekutiel: this is a question probably to you and director tumlin. i want to get a sense of kind of a larger question about this workshop. director tumlin, you mentioned you want this to be an opportunity to get some direction from the board on these big questions. seeing how the agenda is mainly presentations and questions on us, my question is, where do you want -- where the place that we give you that direction? there's a lot coming in here. there's a public component of this. i worry that at the point of this to get some clear directives on these major questions. i'm wondering where you want that to happen. there's like a distinct place for that to happen? >> director tumlin: this is the information part. later this afternoon, there are some specifics that are built in the presentation. you will see those. then tonight, you'll have a homework assignment to come back to us at 1:00. that will help to reveal some of those. we got a lot more tradeoff questions for tomorrow.

i'm going to get to director yekutiel. >> commissioner yekutiel: thank you, chair borden.eah, for ben specifically and i guess also ted, you both were here during the last recession. i wanted historical context from your experience, being the controller and the chief economist back when the last time we had a steep economic downturn, what did the sfmta do in response to that downturn? i imagine you made a presentation not too dissimilar to the one you made. maybe you can give us context on what was done ten years ago. >> i don't know that i can speak specifically from memory to the m.t.a.'s budget during that period, but just at a high level, i can say someone working for the city during each of the last two recessions, the dot com bust and the 2008, i think what is striking is how differently san francisco fared versus the refs of the country. -- rest of the country. we were lightly impacted during the recession which was heavily concentrated in real estate and not so heavily in the bay area or in san francisco. so the financial consequences for the city and the m.t.a. du

i actually agree with a lot of what the director yekutiel already shared. i wanted to start by saying that i do find this exercise illustruive, and i think that before we continue to provide feedback based on this framework we will have to work to make sure that we have a common understanding of these values and making sure that they are distinguishable. and i see that where we engage more broadly beyond just the seven of us. but, you know, i also understand that this is critical. we have to -- we're continuing to make decisions along the way very rapidly and i completely appreciate director tumlin your point that we have to ground our decisions on some sort of consistent value-based evaluation. which i would say that for me, it will evolve as we come out of the current pandemic situation. in fact, it might be a situation where i'm going to realign my own values every three months or whatever it is to respond to the situation. maybe going along the lines of, like, just the very high 20,000-foot level feedback on the budget, i am at this point open to lookin

[laughter] >> director yekutiel: thank you so much, chair borden. director jones, good to see you again. i want to follow in the footsteps of director heminger and answer either or questions. i would suggest looking at which transit only lanes you'd rather invest in and ensure are successful as possible. part of the thing to ask director jones about planning is understanding as business does come back, which transit only lanes has highest value on speeds with the least amount of impact potentially on the ability of small businesses to operate on these corridors. on some of them, they've been put in on streets that don't have a lot of commercial activity. some of them there's more. we don't know what the future is going to hold. my sense on answerings that question is to get the ones that have been implemented kind of studied and work as best as they can. if that is a tradeoff that needs to be made. >> director yekutiel, i look forward to continued exploration of this issue. i think street with great transit can be a really great catalyst for small b

. >> chair borden: director yekutiel has a question? >> director yekutiel: this is a question probably to you and director tumlin. i want to get a sense of kind of a larger question about this workshop. director tumlin, you mentioned you want this to be an opportunity to get some direction from the board on these big questions. seeing how the agenda is mainly presentations and questions on us, my question is, where do you want -- where the place that we give you that direction? there's a lot coming in here. there's a public component of this. i worry that at the point of this to get some clear directives on these major questions. i'm wondering where you want that to happen. there's like a distinct place for that to happen? >> director tumlin: this is the information part. later this afternoon, there are some specifics that are built in the presentation. you will see those. then tonight, you'll have a homework assignment to come back to us at 1:00. that will help to reveal some of those. we got a lot more tradeoff questions for tomorrow.

director yekutiel. >> director yekutiel: good, thank you, chair borden. hi, jonathan. so i guess that i have been listening in and listening in, and i see $4 billion of capital projects in the hopper. i see $500 million of capital expenditures needed. and i am also -- i'm a little nervous about the economic outlook over the next -- i saw the 80% projected, you know, to fy24 as the baseline for revenue. and, listen, we don't know if a lot of these companies coming back and we don't know if work from home is going to be our future, and pinterest sold their whole building. there's a lot of big "ifs" if people will move around the city and how much they'll spend to do it. and in all of the things that you just mentioned i have to say that i'm not a mathematician, it doesn't feel that it gets to what our financial needs will be over the next eight to nine years realistically if we want to check off all of the boxes of what we need to fund. so i'm wondering, like, if we could marshall all of our political and administrative resources to a large idea that could bring in poten

director yekutiel. >> director yekutiel: thank you so much, chair borden. julie!he main moment we've been waiting for this moment, we're close. we're not there, but we're getting there. the end is in sight. and, obviously, a lot of folks are very eager, right, there's a lot of eagerness, this city and our system has been shut for a very long time. i do have a couple of questions. and i am nervous that we will not necessarily be ready to take people to the downtown core in the ways that folks want to get there when the downtown core small businesses are ready to receive them. you know, the tenderloin and the financial district businesses have been some of the most hard hit in this entire city. they rely almost exclusively on office and tourism, businesses, to survive. they have some of the highest rents in san francisco. and there are a lot of institutional landlords in these communities and a lot of them have not gotten relief. it is -- there's an article in "the chronicle" this week about it. it's a very, very scary situation. there's a lot of that, of course, ju

director yekutiel. >> director yekutiel: good, thank you, chair borden. hi, jonathan. so i guess that i have been listening in and listening in, and i see $4 billion of capital projects in the hopper. i see $500 million of capital expenditures needed. and i am also -- i'm a little nervous about the economic outlook over the next -- i saw the 80% projected, you know, to fy24 as the baseline for revenue. and, listen, we don't know if a lot of these companies coming back and we don't know if work from home is going to be our future, and pinterest sold their whole building. there's a lot of big "ifs" if people will move around the city and how much they'll spend to do it. and in all of the things that you just mentioned i have to say that i'm not a mathematician, it doesn't feel that it gets to what our financial needs will be over the next eight to nine years realistically if we want to check off all of the boxes of what we need to fund. so i'm wondering, like, if we could marshall all of our political and administrative resources to a large idea that could bring in poten

i'm going to get to director yekutiel. >> commissioner yekutiel: thank you, chair borden.eah, for ben specifically and i guess also ted, you both were here during the last recession. i wanted historical context from your experience, being the controller and the chief economist back when the last time we had a steep economic downturn, what did the sfmta do in response to that downturn? i imagine you made a presentation not too dissimilar to the one you made. maybe you can give us context on what was done ten years ago. >> i don't know that i can speak specifically from memory to the m.t.a.'s budget during that period, but just at a high level, i can say someone working for the city during each of the last two recessions, the dot com bust and the 2008, i think what is striking is how differently san francisco fared versus the refs of the country. -- rest of the country. we were lightly impacted during the recession which was heavily concentrated in real estate and not so heavily in the bay area or in san francisco. so the financial consequences for the city and the m.t.a. du

i'm going to get to director yekutiel. >> commissioner yekutiel: thank you, chair borden.eah, for ben specifically and i guess also ted, you both were here during the last recession. i wanted historical context from your experience, being the controller and the chief economist back when the last time we had a steep economic downturn, what did the sfmta do in response to that downturn? i imagine you made a presentation not too dissimilar to the one you made. maybe you can give us context on what was done ten years ago. >> i don't know that i can speak specifically from memory to the m.t.a.'s budget during that period, but just at a high level, i can say someone working for the city during each of the last two recessions, the dot com bust and the 2008, i think what is striking is how differently san francisco fared versus the refs of the country. -- rest of the country. we were lightly impacted during the recession which was heavily concentrated in real estate and not so heavily in the bay area or in san francisco. so the financial consequences for the city and the m.t.a. du

i actually agree with a lot of what the director yekutiel already shared. i wanted to start by saying that i do find this exercise illustruive, and i think that before we continue to provide feedback based on this framework we will have to work to make sure that we have a common understanding of these values and making sure that they are distinguishable. and i see that where we engage more broadly beyond just the seven of us. but, you know, i also understand that this is critical. we have to -- we're continuing to make decisions along the way very rapidly and i completely appreciate director tumlin your point that we have to ground our decisions on some sort of consistent value-based evaluation. which i would say that for me, it will evolve as we come out of the current pandemic situation. in fact, it might be a situation where i'm going to realign my own values every three months or whatever it is to respond to the situation. maybe going along the lines of, like, just the very high 20,000-foot level feedback on the budget, i am at this point open to lookin

. >> yekutiel. >> here. >> you have a quorum. the next item is communications. >> we are on sfgovtv. >> we will be on at 2:00. an online video is available at sfgovtv/watch. i will give my covid-19 announcement. due to covid-19 health emergency this meeting is held virtually. everyone is participating remotely. in our notice for the meeting and on the web page we ask you to leave a voicemail message. all comments received prior to today we have received them and appreciate those comments. thank you for honoring our request. we continue to urge the public to write the board at any time. m.t.a. board add s.f.m.t.a. com. if you have attended the meetings you know the technology is not seamless. we have challenges. you may get cut off, phone line might go dead, audio problem. be patient and bear with us. when somebody happens in public comment is cut off we will restart public comment and allow people to call in. thank you for your patience and understanding. i want to thank everybody on the team who works hard to make these calls ha

. >> commissioner yekutiel. >> yes. >> commissioner. >> i am voting yes. video. >> commissioner dooley we can see aphear you. >> i can't see anything. it is asking for a password to log in. >> motion passes unanimously. commissioner dooley do you need support? >> yes. >> you are already in the meeting. we can see and hear you. perhaps you have the window hidden behind one of your other windows. >> not that i can see, but it just threw me off. let me look. >> if it threw you off you would not be heard in this meeting. >> when i look it still says sign in to web ex. >> well you are signed in to web ex and you are in the meeting. what happens if you close that window? >> all right. i am back. i don't know what i touched. >> okay. >> next item, please. that item passed. >> item 5. prioritizing customer service for small businesses. discussion and action item. >> so commissioners, this second resolution some of you may recall there has been a few items in the news plus we received a few e-mails about businesses that have suffered vandalism and then they try to

. >> commissioner yekutiel. >> yes. >> commissioner. >> i am voting yes. back on the video. >> commissioner dooley we can see aphear you. >> i can't see anything. it is asking for a password to log in. >> motion passes unanimously. commissioner dooley do you need support? >> yes. >> you are already in the meeting. we can see and hear you. perhaps you have the window hidden behind one of your other windows. >> not that i can see, but it just threw me off. let me look. >> if it threw you off you would not be heard in this meeting. >> when i look it still says sign in to web ex. >> well you are signed in to web ex and you are in the meeting. what happens if you close that window? >> all right. i am back. i don't know what i touched. >> okay. >> next item, please. that item passed. >> item 5. prioritizing customer service for small businesses. discussion and action item. >> so commissioners, this second resolution some of you may recall there has been a few items in the news plus we received a few e-mails about businesses that have suffered vandalism and then

. >> commissioner yekutiel. >> yes. >> commissioner. >> i am voting yes. back on the video. >> commissioner dooley we can see aphear you. >> i can't see anything. it is asking for a password to log in. >> motion passes unanimously. commissioner dooley do you need support? >> yes. >> you are already in the meeting. we can see and hear you. perhaps you have the window hidden behind one of your other windows. >> not that i can see, but it just threw me off. let me look. >> if it threw you off you would not be heard in this meeting. >> when i look it still says sign in to web ex. >> well you are signed in to web ex and you are in the meeting. what happens if you close that window? >> all right. i am back. i don't know what i touched. >> okay. >> next item, please. that item passed. >> item 5. prioritizing customer service for small businesses. discussion and action item. >> so commissioners, this second resolution some of you may recall there has been a few items in the news plus we received a few e-mails about businesses that have suffered vandalism and then