yelland: i don't believe anybody in south africa is seriously suggesting that we can switch off our coal-fired power stations, which provide 80% of the power in south africa currently tomorrow. hmm. it's a vision and a goal towards which we can strive. this is not a south african trend--"let's move away from coal"--it's a global trend, so, you know, one can try all one likes to hang on to a dying industry, but you can't fight a wave. you have to ride the wave, and the wave of the future is not coal. for me, you know, it's better that they ride the wave instead of being left out to sea, looking for the next wave while the winners are having cocktails on the beach. [sea gulls crying] matharka: if we say we are no longer going to generate coal through coal-fired power stations, and they're going to solars and so d so, how many people are going to employed in those initiatives? spoor: if you compare per-unit of electricity produced, both in the operating and in the construction phase, the number of jobs in the renewable area is higher. there's the old coal fields of mpumalanga province, where ther