are there, it is crazy, don’t say it is big, it is really crazy, thank you for the conversation yevhen machre director of the institute of world politics and oleg sahakyan, a political scientist and co-founder of the national platform for dialogue on peace and safe reintegration, were with us. it was interesting what oleg said about the fact that if people in the dpr are going to the cup, it is not in the hands of the russians, and this is precisely what distinguishes them. and in the dpr , they wanted to be in that russia. however, what distinguishes them from russians is that they gather in cups and still express some of their opinions about what they think about this and that government, that is, how russians blindly love and praise putin and all that he they won't anyway, so let's move on and uh, we already have, let's talk a little about uh, security, nuclear security, about the situation at the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, which is captured by russian troops, and we will be in touch now mykola shteknberg chief ex-chief engineer of the actual chernobyl nuclear power plant and former