. >> rose: and you even saw it with people like yitzhak rabin. >> you need leaders. leaders matter. >> rose: they matter and leaders are able to say "trust me" to the people. "i'm going to take a chance. trust me, i understand your reservations, believe me." and as you suggested, nelson mandela, your famous point in "invictus." now that's surprising. we're not able to be like them. >> and that's what's so missing in the israeli/palestinian context, the power of surprise. that bibi would wake up in the morning and just say -- abu mazen just lives 45 minutes from here. i'm going to drive over to his house sunday morning. whatever. or, by the way, not just be with it but for the king of saudi arabia saying "i don't just have this peace plan, bibi, come to riyadh." can you imagine the shock to the israeli people to see their president fly in an el al plane? it's so rare. >> rose: and imagine the challenge of the president of the united states when he finds out that israel and saudi arabia and the emirates are on the same page and they're saying to him "we're not sure we