i might say that senator nunn and his organization have really done yomen work in developing the nuclear fuel cycle idea and have had a lot to do with creating a fuel bank that can be used by countries so they don't have to enrich uranium themselves. but if you're going to wait to see what sanctions do, then you have to have some sort of a proposal, and i wouldn't sit around. you say it's for civilian purposes. i'm calling that card. >> senator nunn, how worried should we be about pakistan's nuclear arsenal, both its weapons and fissile materials? >> i any we should put pakistan right close to the top of the list in terms of our concerns. they live in a dangerous neighborhood. they've had several wars with india. they have a lot of terrorists on their own territory. some with considerable evidence believe that parts of their military or parts of their intelligence, not necessarily with the approval of government, have basically enabled and in some cases encouraged terrorism. certainly the indians believe that. you had the attack on mumbai. just yesterday after at stanford, we had an inte