i'm really truck by the fact after the negotiations we've been involved in and as yongbyon is partially disassembled and so forth this reversal is really striking and beyond that, a nuclear test, missiles flying over japan and all the rest of it, we can speculate whether they're having an internal problem politically but the affects on the rest of the world is very severe. and i would be in favor, really, of moving very strongly toward the economic sanction route but i think that -- i think that's why we got to the table to begin with. there's not been much movement prior to that point but i'm also intrigued by your thought about an inspection regime. i'll describe -- a counterproliferation regime means and how that is set up. >> well, i mean, the first point on that, senator lugar, is as you know well -- i mean, for denuclearization we need a negotiation. if we don't have a negotiation we have to focused on counterproliferation. and what gets missed in the media discussion in the inspection regime is they focus on the high seas interception, where a comprehensive inspection regime, tha

announcement that it will weaponized the plutonium extracted from spent fuel reprocessing at the yongbyon nuclear facility and that is beginning uranium enrichment work. as required by security council 1874, north korea should abandon all its nuclear programs in a complete revival and irreversible manner. >> t believe that they have a highly enriched uranium program? >> we have seen reports of it. >> you have seen reports of it? jim kelly went to p'yongyang several years ago and said the u.s. knows you have any uranium enrichment program so now you're looking at reports? >> all i am prepared to say is we have seen reports of goods and in -- i know you guys are responding to the news that came out over the weekend and i don't want to get into a situation where we are responding to every bellicose and direction/statement coming out of north korea. >> but is not just bellicose rhetoric, they have been launching missiles, they conducted a nuclear test. >> and we are very concerned and that is why we work with our colleagues on the u.s. security council and with south korea and japan to come u