. >> host: next is a call from cal in yonkers, new york. you're on, carl. >> caller: okay. ms. foley? >> host: yes, go ahead. >> caller: okay. yes, i had a question for ms. foley, if she believed there was a salient moment in the genesis of the tea party movement, or did she feel that there was an underground that goes farther back than the single event or a single ramification in the twist between left and right, old politics and new politics? it seems as if they've drawn much of their spirit from, as you say, from earlier constitutional precedents, earlier constitutional movements, but i also feel that there must have been an event perhaps in the last 10 or 15 years that really struck the verve to create the movement as you've written or as it expresses itself today. any comment, ms. foley, on that question? .. and he started ranch and raving about how we are bailing out the losers mortgages. and all the traitors behind him arrested and chairs and a couple behind that we had our first tax day tea party at rallies. so i don't think it was one thing, but i think is concerned ab

my name is arnold smith from yonkers, and i just want to ask you this question, all of you, as a matter of fact. david donald a long time ago discussed the pros of both, pros and cons of both lincoln and davis, and he came up with this interesting proposal that if davis and lincoln had switched sides that he felt that lincoln would have been a major factor in the south and that maybe the south would have won with lincoln as president. how do you feel about that? >> well, i'll answer first by saying that that was my final question. [ laughter ] so you've usurped me so i will let the others answer. >> well, first it was actually another david, not david donald but david potter who made that assertion in the famous essay that he wrote and gave as a paper at gettysburg back in i think 1959 or 1960 called jefferson davis and political factors in confederate defeat, i think in which he said of the two sides that switched presidents the confederacy might have won the war. i think he was saying that tongue and cheek personally in order to make a point about what he saw as davis' failures of lea