when you have unions, unions aren't perfect but companies aren't perfect. but when you don't have unions, yoyou haveyou have asymmetrica. >> the author of "divided: the perils of our growing inequality." and he is a columnist for al jazeera america. >>> u.s. stocks managed to squeak out gains for the day. the dow just barely stayed positive while the s&p 500 gained, and the tech-heavy nasdaq gained 8% the high growth companies have been running out of steam. mean aluminum maker alcoa, about as old fashion as it gets reported profit s. this hopefully will be welcomed news to start off the first quarter earnings season. think of it as a report card for your stocks. it's a recipe for economic pain in the developed world. the pool of able bodied workers is shrinking while the number of retired people grows larger. later, why the next silicon valley might not be in a valley at all. i'm looking at the new hubs of america's high tech start up scene. you're watching "real money." >> on al jazeera america >> techknow our experts take you beyond the lab >> there's abo

all of our european competitors have unions in germany, executives have unions. if youunions, there's no bargaining power. and wage theft to many americans is like, what are you talking about? because they're not on what's called the primary labor market. if you have a career, all of us on this show have a career, it's unheard of that someone would steal our wages. but for people who work in the secondary labor market, people who work jobs that they don't regularly hold, wage theft is rampant. and there have been some cases of big companies cheating workers out of their wages. >> people often talk about income inequality in the context of the political system, but over the last 30 years, we've also been seeing it in a lot of other advanced countries in places like germany and australia to the u.s. interestingly not in france, though. are there things we can learn from where other countries have done better and worse on this than us? policies? >> yes, and josh, i don't agree with you at all on the idea that the same pace. if you plot the 34 modern countries, most of them

both sides, you have union and labor and management. management is not going to agree.ve been around professional athletes for a long time and when they came out of college. they do need to make some money and it will come in the form of an allowance and uniform with every university. >> the distinction that is made is whether or not college students are first and foremost student or employees. in the northwestern ruling they decided that they were employees. ed, this could drastically change the scope of college athletics. >> you are hitting on something they never heard of. that is fapdom tax. if you are getting paid. northwestern. aefrmg is 60,000 to go to school there with tuitition and room and board. they will get hit with a tax bill based on 240,000 of income and most young men and women don't go pro. they will have a bill bigger and regret the idea that they asked to be called employees. >> and look at the fact that as form of payment they are getting an education and potentially being a professional athlete and making millions of dollars. what are you hearing f

union busting in and of itself? and, b, what do you think obama's goals and chavez's goals, or these early union goals, what do they have in common? >> well, first, i would say that obama maybe could have used a different phrase, such as "if you like your lettuce, you can keep your lettuce." granted, i mean, probably he should have paid for it. but i'm not sure that it's a questionable -- let me put it to you this way -- if the world were different, and if everybody here's position was reversed, and we had to cross a mexican border to find work, don't you think it's just a question of simple fairness that, if you work like they do -- like dogs in the blazing sun all the time -- that you make enough to eat and clothe a family and educate a family? (applause) (cheers and applause) >> stephen: you know, if you want your lettuce, you can keep your lettuce -- chavez -- there wasn't enough for them to just get a living wage. they had to deny us our lettuce. because in the '70s -- >> but only -- >> stephen: no, there was a lettuce shortage. will you admit there was a lettuce shortage in the 1970s? will you admit it, yes or no,

tom: you have the labor unions that are saying let's build this thing. w push this officially back. science is for it. it is pandering to a very small group. what about the labor groups that he is supposed to be in bed with? >> those of the trade union. his motto part of the totality of the unions. you probably have the union he touts the most two, they are opposing it standing with the president, so even that segment is divided and i think he fears the green groups won't show up on 2014. they don't have a big margin to give up in this off year election. so everything can hurt even more incumbents in the senate and the house. tom: even th a national post was writing about how you cannot bottle up all of the oil coming out of canada. those fall off the rails every once in a while and they still be at you would think the environmenenvironmental groups k at that and go we will support building a pipeline. safer than railcars. >> you would think so, but they really planted their flag in the ground that they will stop this. the goal is to shut off all fossil f

that shows you after you get through the ones you usually come up with -- >> union. >> no, no. >> you have to look at the unions. >> if you look at the top 52 givers in this country, individuals, 35 of them are republicans. >> can i get brian in here? a lot of people are concerned, is there too much money in politics? that might be the case, they might make that argument, but what the supreme court was asked to look at is your right as a individual, if you're a republican or a democrat, to give as much as you want. >> i am concerned about the amount of money in politics and i see this. i didn't see one candidate last election that won or lost, it seems, due to money. >> barack obama won due to money? >> more money, maybe, than mitt romney, perhaps. well, you know, he was the better candidate. he just didn't have the money. for the most part, the money is flowing in. it's how it's disbursed. >> how you spend it. >> if we had a couple hours, i could give you plenty of cases. >> some advocate for spending. but it was president obama as senator who was running was the first presidential nomine

you can't make a blanket statement. but under a lot of circumstances, listen, part of the reason i believe, i'm a strong, private sector union person and i'll tell you why. under the circumstances, we have a smaller middle class today than we did 50 years ago and that tends to decline the union. >> why not do -- >> i'm with you. >> here's the issue. here's the gist of this. we can go in a lot of different directions when we talk unions. on this particular topic the idea that your personal information is handed to someone, this is a country with a do not call list. you know, that invasion of our privacy is going to be put out there. i think that oefffends a lot of people. it's not about unions. it's about my privacy. >> you make a great point. in my industry the financial district you can't even call people on the do not call list. this is all about short cuts and ethics. to me it is completely unethical for a union that is not part of the company to go and get this information like this. >> are you saying you can't get people's names and addresses that make more than a hundred grand a year? there is no data base for this? i deal with wall street guys all the time and that's all they do

rejected the uaw even a company bending over backwards to welcome the union in. >> wal-mart pays minimum wage. should they have a union? >> do you know how many workers at wal-mart actually get minimum wage? not that many. rick,000. unions stronger or weaker? >> no question they have been losing manipulate for a long time. a lot of the jobs union jobs disappearing, manufacturing jobs, and the issuing in the public sector is very real right now. have you seen it in the rise of the republican governors feel like they have gone in with a mandate against unions, long term and short-term challenge for unions to grow the membership to attract younger workers and find industry where they can potentially make inroorksdz they have lost votes like that one recently in tennessee. they still have a lot of sway in terms of advertising. a lot of big money that comes in from unions because of the dues that comes. in the idea of the boots on the ground and the organizational tactics that unions have been able to use in the past as their memberships decline, as the public has southward on some of the soured that unions has taken. >> the issue of

you raise. everybody knows the labor unions have been hugely involved in campaigns and you can measure how much they contribute in very different ways. one of them is literally the shoes they have on the street for candidates and they do that on an enormous level. i have no objection to that. i have no objection to the amount of money that is going to go into these campaigns. it's the nature of the way we work. the parties now, in fact, will be benefiting in ways and having more control. having said that, we have a ridiculous system in this country. >> open question. is anything about stair? who stair? >> he is an environmentalist and he is going to spend his money to try and get the environmental agenda on the docket on capitol hill. he is a single issue contributor, yes, he is contributing big money. i still don't think he pails next to what the brothers are doing in terms of buying local state legislatures and influencing legislators. >> is he one of these legislatures delaying the keystone pipeline? >> i hope so, john. >> you do? >> there you are. there's a perfect example. it's hugely in o

have you heard about this? disturbing audio recordings have come to light. >> plus a public out cry. why labor unions are lashing out at the obama administration while protestors rally in the nation's capitol. >> we begin with the high profile presidential trip to asia dominated by the crisis in ukraine as well as tension with north korea. president ball balm in asia today becoming the first u.s. leader to visit the country in nearly half a century. it's the third stop on his tour of asia aimed at building closer tie with the u.s. allies in the region. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live from malaysia with more, ed. >> good to see you. you're right. the first u.s. president since lyndon johnson to visit this asian nation. they would love to talk about the good will here, trade ties. a big steak dinner for the president as well as the search for the missing malaysian airlines jet which u.s. law enforcement agencies including the fbi have been helping a lot with. but you're right that ukraine hows of miles away has been the focus. not just here in malaysia but the previous two stops in sou

you have labor unions for the first time who have shown some determination to maintain the sort of culture. they are now more surrogates. so what is happening now is sort of a dove under which political forces are moving forward. it is not yet -- egypt is not even greece yet for southern italy or spain, which are still struggling with in the midwest. so from the western good, we cannot judge from a perspective. i think there will be crisis. even between how much they'll keep islam are not keep islam and the constitution, there will still be a lot of debate. i am as an historian trying to say egypt went for a very difficult time well. now i can go out with the democracy forces by no means the end of the process. >> i want to stay with egypt for a few more minutes. you say in the book you make a recommendation for u.s. and western policy towards egypt now, which is in keeping very much at odds with what is our policy right now and with the prevailing wisdom is among most people who comment on the u.s. policy towards egypt. you say that we ought to step up aid and embraced egypt more warmly t

you always have been. the union fought his charges, and you went after him harder. took away his pension, bounced him from the job. he killed himself a year later. his family lost a father because you used him as the bottom rung of your ladder. you don't know. you don't know what we do or what we sacrifice or the price we pay for this... for the job. and you'll never know. with breaking news. >> good evening. thank you for being with us. we are on a little late tonight because of the giants game here on nbc bay area. we are following breaking news. deadly sailboat accident happened in the bay near redwood city during a race sponsored by the sequoia yacht club. monte francis is live on the scene. what do we know? >> reporter: good evening. the coast guard responded to the accident. police are handling the investigation and we are still waiting to hear some details from them. the boat is behind me. it's a 42-foot catalina sailboat called bella. you can see there is damage to the boat. the coast guard confirms five people were on board. one person died an two were inju

the critics point out that this class is paid for by the unions, and the people who have involved are union organizizers, so what is the irk youthe use of state-funded university? >> well, you know, that's a great point. michigan state has come into my office and said that this makes money. if this makes money. why did the national labor college give it up if it was making money for them? but even if you agree it makes money, i still think it's wrong to use public taxpayer dollars to promote union organizing, and that's what it is doing here. so whether it makes money or doesn't make money it is using public resources. >> today our lead story is about the supreme court striking down campaign finance laws. i'm sure these are closely held beliefs of yours, but there are industry organizations that are supporting this? are these people who donate to campaigns to get people elected? >> no, absolutely not. this is really -- and that's why i tried to strike a balance, whether it is encouraging union organizing or promoting a class for union busting,iter is wrong. they should be going to lower student tuition and graduate assistance

it does show you when you have bureaucrats in charge they start playing games with incorporation this. some of those bureaucrats need to go to jail. >> next up, the ncaa and unionsave this vote in northwestern for football players to form a union. take a listen to the vice president for university reels at northwestern. >> today the chicago office of the national labor relations board conducted an election here at northwestern in which the university scholarship football players had the opportunity to vote by secret ballot on whether or not they wished to be represented by the college athlete players association. those ballots will not be counted until that appeals process or review process is completed. >> what about this? unions in college football. >> look, if i was doing this from scratch, i would say get these teams out of division one sports and create a minor league. never going to happen. but i think the union thing is just nuts. the idea -- first of all the idea they could contain it just to these sports seems ridiculous to it me. title 9 activists everyone would want to be unionized. last thing you need is more bureaucrats running all of it stuff. >> e

you for rerouting this for our seniors. we also have another bus stop that you eliminated at union and broadway. seniors that have to go to the russian em cease as well as our seniors have to climb a mountain. that stop allows them to walk on flat land to both places. no. 3 is i was very very upset by the fact that when i called about this, i was told by the department, it's a done deal and you don't have to, you are not going to get it. i had to become a bulldozer and i don't like having to be forced into that. i was never called back or anything. after this last meeting i had to chase down kennedy for this drawing and asked him to put the stops on it. i don't want 10 years from now another board saying we didn't have the stops on it. i do not think this department is doing outreach. i was not notified of any of this. [ applause ] i also am very upset about the 30 stockton eliminating the parking places on this strip. which you are not taking into consideration to the tourist area. tourist don't just take muni and bark. they drive in and drive down the coast and they use their cars to go around

unionize. i want to pick up a point you were making. you were talking about how you sympathize with the athletes and your family ties to unions, but what is the specific concerns you haveof why you don't think the union is the right answer here? >> i'll try to give you a short answer. i think it's going to be very complicated. there are varied explanations from taxes to employment issues, but my biggest complaint here is the fact that it totally disrupts what we have in college athletics. i happen to think college football is the best sport in the country. i go to games every weekend. there was 100,000 people. i went to a game at northwestern that was a prime time game on abc that was one of the most watched games of the year when ohio state came there. this issue of giving to the players, i heard this debate with johnny manziel that he deserved something. students signed deals, they are one-year contracts, but everything is taken care of. when you become employees, then you're responsible and you open pandora's box. >> curious what you make of what paul just said and if we're talking about a no boat and it doesn't happen elsewhere, but the pressure is increased on the

but having said that, what we are talking about and what i think you are talking about was not so much a unionf the two countries but an economic system. >> we have that in nafta. >> no. >> it is not -- >> way too much talking on the panel we have a guest here. please proceed. >> let me talk about the other reason and challenge that i think we face we are very similar countries we get along that you will is great. we joined forces in 89, mexico came along later they had nothing but problems went bust and all that stuff. we, 26 yearings later have a board -- years later have a border that is worse thicker between security concerns, concerns about lack of terrorism -- >> cut to the war on terror worldwide. >> pat it is not tariff barriers, lobbies on both sides, canada's drug smuggling problem we are the biggest exporter of meth and ecstasy. >> kana can is a unique, terrific -- canada is a unique, terrific country you got the single payer system you couldn't debt that through the house -- get that through the house of representatives [ overlapping voices ] >> we should clean up the border and ge

have lower margins than siemens. that said, very interested to see if they proposed. --mens may be able underperforming trade union to alstom. youthe interest of the german units. the german unions are welker presented on the siemens board. style weertainly are have siemens. we have ge. is it possible to see which of the suitors have the best chance of winning? >> according to the people would've been speaking with on board, they are savoring the bid from ge. if you ge comes in and buys the energy equipment from alstom, that lisa with the t -- and that leaves them with the trains unit and a wad of cash. that could also be one of the reason they are favoring a potential bid from ge. plus the fact, there are fewer areas of industrial. david, thank you so much. david tweed with the latest on this battle for alstom. these talks, at the same deal -- time with megadeals in pharma. we spoke to stephen schwarzman and los angeles. his take of the flurry of m&a action. >> there are so many very high-priced businesses that make no money. and we have lived it is a movie before. and it ended badly. usually what happens in markets around the

: by the way, if you're trying to put those in states like illinois and new york you have to deal with much tougher unionsin texas. >> there's the difference. you have to have men and women who are courageous. willing to stand up against special interests to say you know what? our children's interests are more important than the union's interests. how they're going to perform in life is what we're focused on. you've seen our test scores going up. you have seen over 100% increase in hispanic participation in higher education in the state of texas. that's the thorough fare to a better tomorrow. david: well you talk about texas being a blue print for other states, how about what you have done in the texas over the past what, 13, 14 years as governor being a blueprint for the nation? ing the politics, people, let's go back for a second to last election, a lot of people say you didn't do so well in the debates. >> i agree with them. david: what did you learn about that situation. >> two things. i shared with you earlier if you're going to run for presidency of the united states, don't have major back surgery s

unionization, and he has written the letters to the students and the parents as well. here is the excerpt of the e-mail that he sent. you should understand that by voting to have, you would be transferring your trust from those you know, me, your coaches and the administrator the here, to what you don't know, a third party who may or may not have the team's best interests in mind. the all-out push to prevent these kids from starting a union there at northwestern, the push has been fairly intense would you say? >> absolutely. you have the kids and then the former alums and the former players, and they are actively being able to go there and say, hey, look, we need the rights, but then you will get the opposition from the administration. the coaches. i mean, it is very tough to have a coach look at you, and say, so what are you going to vote, and you are a potential starter next year. >> and the kids are 19, 20, 21 years old in some cases, and still very young and impressionable minds, and it comes in the form of authority of the beloved football coach. if you had to handicap the chances of this thing going to pass, what would you say? >> i don't think that it i

you have 14 states and union territories going to the polls. 100 million people estimated to hit the ballot boxes at various polling stations around the country. i am in one suburb in south delhi. there are seven seats in the union territory of delhi that will be fought over. in the 2009 election, the whole of delhi went over to the congress party. they'll face a tough fight. in the state elections, a few months ago in december. there was a resurgence of a new party called the arm ahty party, who are fighting corruption. they did well in the state regs and are hoping to make their mark in the national legislations. >> it looks like no party will win a majority. the bartering will start soon after the results come in, after who forms alliances with whom. >> yes, that is a continuing question as not just the campaign, but the voting continues. we will not know the voting until may the 16th, when all the machines will be looked at, and, of course, the votes counted in the various constituents, and there's over 500 of them. >> egypt has not seen a majority led government when gandhi swep

, you will have a fiscal union. those things come into play, i think there is a sense that the euro-zone may not be in a crisis phase. you end up with this -- from the euro-zone. with very low growth and very low yields. >> draghi is talking later on today about a long-term time period. central banking over the next few decades. how long will this low inflation be tolerated? you sort of laid out to risks that could be generated as a result of disinflation becoming part of the landscape. japan -- for an awful long period of time before it took action. >> they did take action from time to time but it didn't really work very well. we often forget there was a period of q.e. in japan from 2001, for a decade. it appeared to be revolutionary at the time. they were minuscule. we have seen more coming through over the last 12 months. japan has done q.e. the excheaning rate is falling. wages haven't followed through. >> you would expect a little bit of a lag? >> the consequence of real incomes are beinged. the recovery is not

reagan was elected and of course the soviet union -- you have to take a little more attention.here should be more talking back and forth. a u.s. colonel -- i had another life. i knew the boys very well. they all ended up heavy kernels. some were generals. this was the only one who is interested in my problem. how stupid can you get? it was so selfish. all i wanted to do was get back. if you can imagine, the people responsible for my getting back to the soviet union were united states crews and the army. he went to do it. he told me he had deposited it at the u.s. institute -- several copies. they had that i was an interesting woman. you know this lady? we would like to talk to her. and he said, what a coincidence. she would like to talk to you too, but she has no visa. they called me up and said, call so-and-so. that was the translator of stolen. he happen to like america very much. he happen to be a very intelligent man. between the two of them, they got me back to the soviet union. except, it was just after -- the temperature was so cold. you cannot imagine. somebody said i h

. >> you don't gent the promotion the guy gets, ect., ect., and when they start seeing this, and i was speaking with the electronic union, and it's great to have -- you know, we all can get together and have the women in the union too, and she's smiling and smiling and says, wait until they see them take all the work. [laughter] so i do think that it's the young women in college start getting out thereto, they are going to see where the they are. >> men get more conservative and women get more radicalized. >> i don't think so. >> i just want to put in a different note on this, and, actually, i teach women in political activist, doing amazing work, they believe in gender equality and sometimes don't call themselves feminists, and i'm sympathetic to it and why they are reluctant to use the world. they won't use the word, and we have not spent time listening to them. >> next question? >> this has to do with a book i finished recently called reign of error. do you see any threats to equality of women who have public schools shut down in new jersey, new york, southern states, up in wisconsin, minnesota, one of the other states, otherwise they spend

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i think you have got to look at you create and say actually the west american and european union are also up for seal and if you want to talk about self-determination for ukraine actually you could have self-determination for either of those blocks ukraine can't get real serve somebody should be if it sides with either of those blocks matthew in new york would you like to reflect upon that because if it's a go ahead joint jump in there is one problem with that the fact that the general assembly voted on this one hundred to eleven this is not just a matter of the united states this is the vast majority of states voting ten to one not to recognize and a hell of a lot of climbing trees didn't vote at all and a lot of countries that are you know the only countries where with russia. with russia syria sudan. dame to the right one country abstained from what israel with russia china and china with russia india about the coalition is backing up russia right now ok well it's just you know problem is we are you going to self-determination i mean it has nothing to do with our germination at all

what do you say because it seems to be the only real complaint the unions have. >> i hope you meant dealersranchise unions here they are dealerships really. >> ok. just so we're clear. i'm not trying to pick anymore fights then i need to. i have lost the ball on all the arguments they have had. ish respect to service, it incontrovertible with many mechanical moving parts, a well designed and manufactured -- it will have a much lower service profile than a combustion vehicle. point inom and should the market, we've developed a system for all sorts of service. the one that has gotten the most press is our ability to diagnose and service remotely many functions of the vehicle. when that is not possible, we want to take care of our where it is most convenient for them. you have service centers building on a 2-1 ratio. might get bigger than that. >> why can you not do both. why can you not sell to dealers as well. >> he already touched on that in your first question. in the far-off future, who knows, when we have a high-volume product. >> why can't you do both now? look at apple. they sell direc

powers and i don't think you can look at ukraine for instance and just simply say it's the russians i think have got to look at you create and say actually the west american european union are also a force here and if you want to talk about self-determination for ukraine actually you could have self-determination for either of those blocks ukraine can't get real real freedom if it sides with either of those blocks matthew in new york would you like to reflect upon that because if they go ahead join jump in there is one problem with the fact their general assembly voted on this one hundred eleven this is not just a matter of the united states this is the vast majority of states voting ten to one to recognize and a hell of a lot of climb trees are getting voted off a lot of countries that are you know the only countries where with the with russia syria. sudan what countries are standing up to the right one country abstained what israel or spain with russia china and china with russia india about the coalition is backing up russia right now ok so what is very serious problem is when you decide how are you going to self-determination i mean it has nothing to do with our ger

i think the connection of european union has has been two weeks because week we have the guts not the courage to you who said that repeal article seven and we need to say to him you have to make a number of changes acceptable changes in your system of democracy is not the same as a dictatorship of the majority of the top two different things even in a democracy when you have the majority you have to respect minority. individual rights of people away from the assault on about a week for me to another political leader which was david cameron in the uk. he's dealing with the kind of mini scandal in his cab right now yes. the circuit is the state secretary for culture who was caught fiddling their expenses. students and contrite enough he refused to sack her she finally resigned today. but to him for joe is playing into the whole narrative of the tories as being a kind of elitist and out of touch party. this comes a terrible time for hand because this is just ahead of the european elections and this is exactly the message that you kept his job and you get your kit of the watch and tell your kid does of

union then there is with teaching the kids. and that has been a real danger and a real threat and you don't have those unions when it comes to thet. there seems to be more of a commitment among the faculty to make sure these kids are getting an education. >> they emphasize their own training program for their teachers. say ittensive, and they equips the teachers to deal with the dramatic way that these kids are behind. >> i did a story a few years ago that dealt with some of the schools in new york city. public schools that had kids in ninth and 10th grade they could not read. it speaks to the problem. the charter has been seen as the bright spot. >> it can really help raise expectations. we can make sure that they have a wonderful education. >> look at all this money that people on wall street can raise and the teaching experience will be better and public school students will lose out. there is a real sense of advocacy that what they are doing is setting a standard. thank you very much mama amanda. we will be back with more street smart after this. ♪ >> from the office to ugly betty, ben silverman who produced some of tvs bigg

(cheers and applause) >> nation, i have warned you about the dangers of unionizing college sports. last month northwestern university football players were allowed to form a union. what idiot taught them to work together toward a common goal? and ever since collegiate lets have been griping, like shabazz napier, star point guard of the champion uconn huskies. >> at the end of the day that doesn't cover everything. we do have hungry nights that we don't have enough money to get food. i don't think, you know, student athletes should get hundreds of thousands of dollars. like i said there are hungry nights that i go to bed and i'm starving. >> stephen: oh, that is wrong. what are you doing going to bed? you should be practicing. you got time to lay down, you got time to lay up. sadly, folks, the ncaa heard his starved ramblings and crumbled faster than an underfed point guard. >> the ncaa has announced collegiate lets can now receive unlimited meals and snacks. the new rule applies to both scholarship athletes and walk-ons. >> stephen: unlimited meals and snacks. i mean who do these pl

matthew it seems to me is very interesting is that the european union continues to it expand maybe it's taking a breather but when you have within the european union people that want to break away from it i mean how do you how do you put those two things and just think well years a constitution so you have a constitution where people have their rights and they have their responsibilities and there's a process there where people can be claims and then they can try to see those claims recognized so you do it through a rule of law but if you start to say that certain people even if they've already. in the case of crimea certain people feel threatened and therefore they can take to the streets and start storming government buildings and invite their neighbors in with guns to help them then there is no end to it and in fact it's especially a country. russia which has the biggest territory in the world and a shrinking population that has the most to lose if you begin to encourage the example people seceding from the government that matter to you if you don't if you don't have to encourage them in crane in eastern ukraine you do