you knew were you putting kids in harm's way.said you walked up stairs through the oval office, slow lap around the south lawn. you said a prayer for our troops. safety of our country. the strength -- to have strength in the days ahead. there was one man that understood what you were feeling. you sat down at your desk and you scrawled out a letter to? >> to my dad, yeah. >> sean: i have the letter here. >> i can't read it, i wouldn't make it through. his letter to me was such a touching response. i hope that the reader of the book will have a better sense of my dad, his compassion and his -- what it is like to be the father of the president. >> sean: also, that was the toughest decision you made your life? >> it was. >> sean: to make that decision. >> it is. >> sean: your father said your handwritten note, just received, touched my heart. you are doing the right thing, he said to you. your decision just made is the toughest decision you've had to make up until now. but you made with it strength, compassion, it is right to worry a

and i think you were right. i think there is a time and i after that week, the 25th anniversary week when you had lady gaga and bill gates and lebron james. it was just publicly time. i think it is always better to leave them wanting more and i wnt more still. so that's probably the best way to go. >> larry: one of the thing we do a lot of is helping people through the death of a public figure. which is a fascinating concept. often it is thrown together. >> yes. >> larry: the person is not expected to die and dies that day. let's take a look at some memorable moments of people. . wendy produced, talking about losing loved ones. is it hard to look at your dad? >> sometimes it is. sometime i have good days and bad days. sometimes it brings back memories and it is really nice and some days i just cry straight off. >> i think i had a harsh introduction to death early on. and i kind, it sort of started a whole sequence at that point. >> larry: what was special about him that maybe we don't know that. >> i don't know.

. >> when i last saw you, you were -- my perception was you were totally completely at peace, your job was done. >> yeah. >> and you seem even more at peace now i am at peace and i was honored to serve the country. i gave it my all. and i have written a book that chronicles the decisions i made and i feel -- i'm not desperate to try to shape a legacy because i fully understand that there needs to be time for history to be able to analyze, for historians to be able to analyze the decisions that i made and, you know, i have -- i'm content. i'm a content guy. i have a great marriage. i have a lot of friends. my health is good. >> ing did the -- doing the stuff with bill clinton. how is that going? >> he is a fun guy. we are the same age and i like him and we are working on the haiti project together. bill has a good soul. he is not a mean spirited guy and it is fun to be with him and fun to share insights into the presidency. we don't debate. i'm through with debating. i debated enough. >> it is a all elite club. >> see the altar i built? that is where jenna got married and that will be t

>> it depended on who you were talking to and what you were talking to them about. for instance, when we'd go interview elizardo sanchez, who is a very well-known dissident, and he's a veteran human rights activist, there's a guy who sits in a car right out in front of his house. >> hinojosa: really? >> yeah. he's, like, right there. >> hinojosa: oh, my god. >> and i remember going to see elizardo, and i'd see the guy, and i'd say, "hey, how's it going?" and he would, like, look at me like this, right? but it's... i mean, it was really obvious, at least with the dissidents. now, we assumed that we were being monitored too, but in our case it wasn't so obvious. but we'd just have to assume that they were keeping an eye on... >> hinojosa: well, let's talk about what that's like. because if you're an american, american living in cuba, and if you're an american journalist living in cuba, you were being watched. you were being spied on. >> we assumed. >> hinojosa: i mean, you assumed. >> we assumed, yeah. >> hinojosa: what does that do to you, when you're thinking, "okay

>> july 1965. >> to what year -- how many years were you prime minister? >> until the election -- the presidential election, 1967. >> and how old were you when you became prime minister? >> i am 34 1/2. 35 years, yes. >> and how old doe does that mae you today? that picture was what -- how old were you in that picture? >> i think this -- maybe 37, you know. i remember that someone, you know, doing -- trying to visit some country and someone took this picture. 37, yeah. >> as you know, when you walked in, i said to you, how did you do it? how did you -- all these years later almost look the same as you did then? >> yeah. yeah. i am 73 now, and many friends, you know, especially american veteran who met me, they all look at me and said, i think you were general ky, but are you? and i said, yes. how come you stay? and that's why they recognized me. but sometime i have some problem with my, you know, staying young. i remember one time coming back l.a., los angeles, from a trip overseas. and when i show my passport to the customs service, he look at the passport

>> you were with us. >> the pilot, yeah, probably. ink everybody was sort of shy. >> larry: you like luke? >> i love luke. i've always wanted to play a crazy character like luke, because just the things, he's like a kid -- >> larry: you mean all your life. >> always. years. >> he gets to do all kinds of fun stuff, child, crazy stuff, that i never do, like go on trampoline with a pogo stick which i've actually wanted to try, never done it. >> larry: you like alex? >> alex is hilarious. she's funny, she can make fun of people, but yet still love them. she loves doing schoolwork and she thinks that education is really important, and i think -- and i think that, too, so i think it's really great to play her, and i'm really happy to be part of the show. >> larry: we all get to play characters which is great. >> larry: you're a beautiful little girl. >> thank you. >> larry: it's time for heroes. good evening and welcome to heroes. cnn heroes and all star tribute has given us all a chance to come together and honor every day unsung heroes cha

they knew you were a journalist they knew you were a journalist right. that's correct we were members of the process we were accredited we were wearing our press credentials we were not demonstrators we were not part of the movement we were there doing our job and exercising our freedom of the cross in our freedom of speech our first amendment rights and you know they actually put they handcuffs on me so tight that i couldn't i couldn't feel my fingers and so i asked the officer to please remove the handcuffs these plastic handcuffs and at least put one on that was a little bit looser and he said to me well i hope this is ok you know and he took out a hunting knife to remove my handcuffs and that's actually part of the reason i have the cuts on my wrist so it was you know we were we were treated very aggressively the officer who arrested me you know grabs grabbed me she was a female officer she grabbed me very very strongly very roughly. bordering on sort of sexual assault which was reported by many other of the protesters that were arrested by this woman

you were in the baby group. how old were you?i was 12 years old. >> that group hit it early. >> in 1977 they started. they became a phenomenon by the beginning of the 80s. i started in july of 1984. >> then you broke away on your own. >> five years later i was done with the band. i was so tired. and i went to new york city to live and relax. it was the first time in my life that i was literally not following a schedule and it was very important for me to do so. >> i have seen you work. you entertained at a gala for our heart foundation and my son was six months old and danced with you on stage. there were always rumors about you. you had heard them, right? >> yeah, yeah, of course. >> what was that like? what was that life like to live? >> i was just not ready to even focus on the idea of -- >> coming out? >> coming out and telling the world that i was -- that i am gay. and the way i was treated for some members of the media, it didn't feel right. it didn't feel good. >> how do you mean? >> it was treated in a very markable way.

. >> when i last saw you, you were -- my perception was you were totally completely at peace, your job was done. >> yeah. >> and you seem even more at peace now i am at peace and i was honored to serve the country. i gave it my all. and i have written a book that chronicles the decisions i made and i feel -- i'm not desperate to try to shape a legacy because i fully understand that there needs to be time for history to be able to analyze, for historians to be able to analyze the decisions that i made and, you know, i have -- i'm content. i'm a content guy. i have a great marriage. i have a lot of friends. my health is good. >> ing did the -- doing the stuff with bill clinton. how is that going? >> he is a fun guy. we are the same age and i like him and we are working on the haiti project together. bill has a good soul. he is not a mean spirited guy and it is fun to be with him and fun to share insights into the presidency. we don't debate. i'm through with debating. i debated enough. >> it is a all elite club. >> see the altar i built? that is where jenna got married and that will be t

. >> i want to take you to inauguration day in 2001, january. what were your thoughts, your expectations of that day? >> i knew it would be an emotional moment and a moment. i wanted to try to try united the country. >> you're in the motorcade and you write about this. >> yeah. >> and you and pliz bush are heading to the white house and there are protesters, a lot of them. and they're holds signs with foul language and they're giving you the middle finger salute and some of those signs say "hail to the thief,". >> yeah. >> and they're throwing eggs. >> yeah. this crowd of activists were, you know, trying to disrupt and ruin the inaugural parade for others. >> you write about you're in the limo and you're in a bulletproof glass. >> it was like a pantomime. >> the florida recount, hanging chads, the divided spriem court. george bush had a rough road to the white house. a road made rougher by his own missteps. we met in the texas church where he started bible study and married his wife laura. there he shared some remarkable stories about his family that he's

he said you were the one who wanted to skate. didn't want to get up at 4:30 in the morning to take you. i was motivated because of something i did learn from that. it is hard for me and i think they learned more from overcoming something that was hard for me than something that was easy. i was a natural pms. it wasn't that hard for me but i will tell you a story of parental intervention on the piano side. when i was about 10 years old i've been playing since i was three. i could read music before he could read and when i was 10 years old i wanted to quit. i said to my mother i want to quit p.m. now. and she said you are not old enough or good enough to make that decision. [laughter] and years later when i was playing with yo-yo ma, i was really glad that she did not let me quit. part of it was self motivation. part of it was parents pushing a little bit and saying well you know you are the one who wanted to do this. and and and some of was and i think connie was this way to match her go we did not want to disappoint our parents.

he called me all kind of different names. >> larry: but you were so close that you converted to catholicism. >> we were extremely in love for two years. >> larry: so -- you didn't see drinking. >> no. >> larry: these rages did not occur while inebriated. >> not in the beginning, not at all at least for a year and a half, two years. he was wonder. and attentive and loved me so much and he would carry me around, pick me up out of nowhere and his friends said he was the healthiest and happiest they'd ever seen him. >> larry: you every turn on television and one of his movies were on? >> yeah, we'd watch -- >> larry: no, now do you watch. >> not now. not now. >> larry: it's all very sad. >> it's tremendously sad, and all i'm trying to do, what i'm trying to i guess what i'm trying to do is step in for domestic violence, not just for myself not for this six months of torture that i went through and my daughter, but also other domestic violence victims because this is a very high

if you were in a totally segregated school, segregated principal black, teachers are black, students are black, then when the teacher said to you, that's just not good enough, there was no racial overtone, and so people could be actually fairly tough in terms of insisting on achievement and insisting on excellence without racial overtones of somehow there being rayist. -- racist. one of the interesting things that happened when i was at stanford, i suddenly realized there is a subtle -- president bush called it the south bigotry of low expectations that creeps in when people see black students, and all of the sudden, we're all, you know, trave had a touch -- they've had a tough time, or maybe i shouldn't say anything about that, and i'll tell you it's related in the book, so i'll relate it to you. i noticed i went to my first fhi beta kappa ceremony, and in this group, there was one black student. i thought, well, in is really odd, and so i started kind of looking at it and thinking about it, and we formed a little group called partners in academic excellence, and we asked black gradu

your campaign has declined to provide information that would explain how you were able to do this. so i will ask if you can explain to us now how you can have a total income of $205,000 and pay only 1% in federal income tax. tom, you and the other people in the media made a great deal about the fact i helped my child as my wife and i did with a business that was a retail store that had tremendous losses. as you know, losses offset profits and offset income. that's exactly the way it happened. it was fully disclosed with the tax laws of this country. as i've pointed out before, i released 29 years of tax returns. if you look at those, i have certainly paid more than a fair share by most people's interpretation of the taxes that were owed. now, if you don't think people ought to be able to take advantage of losses to offset their income, of course, that's a major change to our income tax laws. i have abided by the tax laws. and i will continue to do that. are you happy with the answer? >> yes. >> my question is for roy barnes. i would like you to tell georgia voters one thing you woul

because i warned you not to -- you said last time you were on the show you said you were going to australia-- there are animals out there. there's sharks, there are spiders that can kill you if you go swimming in the pool, you could die from a spider killing you, and then you went australia anyway? >> i'm alive, aren't i? >> jimmy: i know, but why would you test, why would you test? just to drive me crazy. because you know -- you brought back pictures. here's a sign that you took a picture of. >> yes. that was -- >> jimmy: that's when you know you're in australia. that's not a normal sign that you see places. no people. it says "no people" is what it says, because there's crocodiles. so no people. so who's going to read this? >> i read it. >> jimmy: yeah, you read it. yeah. >> and i kept going. >> jimmy: you kept going. and i saw a crocodile. it was fun. >> jimmy: what is this thing? >> that is a poisonous toad. >> jimmy: see, that's what i'm talking about. why would you do this to me? it drives me nuts. >> it's cute. it's little. >> jimmy: poisonous toad. what does that mean, even? does he

how often did you call him when you were in the white house for advice? >> yeah. ften for advice. but i talked to him often to try to comfort him. >> bill: why didn't you seek his ad vice? former president? >> because he knew that i had better information at the time than he would have known. and he understood what it meant to be president. the president gets a lot of advice. some of it unsolicited. a lot of it from inside the white house. but he also knew when the heat gets on and the heat was on during my administration, you tend to seek out the advice of the people closest to you. and what's interesting about my relationship and i make this clear in the book with my dad is, one, it's based upon love. i loved the guy. and, secondly, and admire him by the way. and secondly, i knew what it was like to be the loved one of a president. '92 was a painful year. i didn't like the way the press talked about my dad. >> bill: you were firstier back then. >> i punched back and i would get in people's face. >> bill: i hate guys like that. >> okay. you were wishing that was m

you were getting into punk at this time. >> bruce: the tuff darts was robert gordon. reat, great rock and roll song we did a cover of at one time. >> jimmy: it is all phenomenal stuff. but you show all the records. i mean, you've got "the promise" here, which is out, because this is two extra cds of music that you didn't put on "darkness." >> bruce: right, yeah. >> jimmy: so you wrote 70 songs. [ laughing ] that's, like, an insane person does that. [ laughter ] that's like -- that's seven albums! i mean, that's crazy, right? >> bruce: yeah, it was. it was. [ laughter ] we didn't really know -- we really didn't know how to do what we were doing, you know? it'd be like if you had to tell ten jokes to find one funny one. >> jimmy: i did that tonight. [ laughter ] i do it every night! it's pretty insane. yeah! [ cheers and applause ] but, i mean -- >> bruce: that's exactly what's going on there. >> jimmy: what happened? i mean, but now you listen to them and you go, "god, they're all funny. they're all good jokes. they're all good songs." >> bruce: they're good, but i thin

for you, it had been -- i think you kind of rushed into it. >> no. i think we were-- at that point, you go, yeah, all right. and we got these wedding photos. this is unbelievable here. and there you are. i guess it was a religious wedding? wait a minute. we're confusing your halloween photos. that is you as the nun there. true? >> well, as a nun. >> jimmy: and that's -- and that is your bride, calista, who is wearing a piggy outfit, it looks like. >> well, she borrowed a fat suit from her wardrobe. >> jimmy: i had one i could have given her. all my clothes fit into that category. this is a -- how did this happen? [ applause ] whose idea was this? >> it was my idea. i thought it would make me less recognizable to the paparazzi. and they were there the minute we opened the car door. >> jimmy: yeah, that -- were you given the bottles of wine at the door, were those treatments? no, that's sacramental wine. >> jimmy: that's part of the costume? that is fantastic. i would never imagine you as a guy that could be talked into dressing up for halloween, but -- in fact, you -

you were either, you know a check-in person. you were a greeter. you were part of the license issuing unit. you were deputy marriage commissioner, or you were on the recording side. each one of those functions required a different set of skills, a different oath of office if they needed to be sworn in as a deputy county clerk to issue marriage licenses or as a deputy county recorder if they were going to register the marriage licenses or the deputy marriage commissioner if they were going to be performing ceremonies. >> donna, place the ring on her ring finger. >> the marriage commissioner training was only about a half hour. it was very simple. very well run, very smooth and then we were all sworn in. >> they said we would get our scheduled sunday night and so 7:00, 8:00, 10:00, you know, i got it at 11:00. this person who was orchestrating all of the shifts and the volunteers and who does what, you know, said from her office sunday night at 11:00. they are just really helping each other. it's a wonderful atmosphere in that way. >> have you filled

, i would brace myself, my brother would start his tirades and all of these shadow issues. >> as you were hearing the stories of the people you would hear well, all of this academic and intellectual grounding for sibling relationships, then what happened? >> it was a trigger, people would say what are you working on? i would say the story about my brother and me. people would tell me about their stories. we are like minnows swimming in the well of childhood as brothers and sisters. one of the great questions for many of us is why can't we see our brother or sister as others see them? there was carl brenner, fantastic apple guy, expert on opera, he was an alpha romantic figure, flew a plane, looked like harrison ford, many lady friends, wine lover connoisseur. why did i think of him as this difficult person and why did he see me as this is his perception, which of course, i am perfectly willing to say that is me, put the mirror up. miss know it all, expert, his perception was that little sister always trying to get attention. this is pathetic, we'd get together and fight over everything. i

that meant you were representing your family. i want you to carry yourself in a way that you represent your family well with. he didn't have to go through all of that. hold your head up and act like you belong to somebody. if you didn't, you were growing up like a weed. i love dunbar for that reason. fast forward many years later, i am a teacher of 8th grade english. i want to give my students dunbar. there is nothing for young readers. so i complained. it is a shame they don't have a book about dunbar in the library. somebody ought to write a book about it. then it hit me, instead of whining and complaining why i haven't gotten something i need, write it yourself. but i had never written a book before, how do you start? well, i went to the library again, found a book, how to write a children's book, not a very imaginative title, but it told me what i needed. wrote a book from cover to cover, researched it. i knew ever detail. even went to his home in dayton, ohio and visited his house, shared it with my students and they said who

you were the narrator, and you produced the documentary. (redford) i came out of that whole thing, after i researched it carefully, met with him, that it would be a dangerous thing to take a position that this man is absolutely innocent. i just didn't know. i felt he was, but i didn't know, so therefore it would be a mistake for me to go on a crusade about, "this man is innocent; he shouldn't be there," rather than, "what is verifiably wrong here?" and what was verifiably wrong to me was that he did not get a fair trial. and it raised the issue of how minorities are treated by our system of justice. so i thought, "what can i do about that?" well, i was going to make a film about it. then i decided that probably a better way to go about it would be to make a documentary, 'cause you could have more factual, that a film always could be a little bit too much fiction and that the public or people needed to know-- 'cause the man clearly was not going to get a fair trial. the decision had been made; it was an eye for an eye because of the fbi, and

flew one or two missions there, you were hooked with the idea of saving lives or you simply left. we have three brothers from argentina, the original brothers to rescue, and alberto and -- they were the first pilots to all organize the group and locate the other pilots like themselves where young men were part of the community and were pilots already, so we recruited pilots and recruit observers in the rear seats of the plane and carried members of the press, and there was no mission we didn't carry a member of the press with us because we wanted to document what was happening there to, you know, make everything what was happening in cuba and the reasons they were leaving the island so no better way to say that than the image of a rafter, of o person floating in the middle of nowhere in an intertube. that's what we were doing. >> lily prellezo, what about the clinton administration? did they not assist? >> brothers to the rescue never asked the u.s. government for help monetary or otherwise. of course the u.s. coast guard wa

i will say, definitely the world is better off without saddam hussein in power. >> if you were president again though and t.a.r.p. came up, you would do the same thing? >> absolutely given the same circumstances. >> before we get into the policy difference, one thing when you see the former president like that, that strikes you as a stylistic differences, the pure communication, the bluntness versus the professorism, prof sor yal ism. alex, how do you compare and contrast the style? >> well, president bush was a very plain speaker and the greatest moments of his presidency were when he was standing in the rubble on 9/11 and spoke from the heart. that's something that president obama really doesn't do. he doesn't speak from the heart. he speaks from telepromters. his style of speaking is not one that is direct. it's very loiterly. he tries to confuse what he means. instead of being plain spoken like bush was, you ask why people really liked him and a lot of americans were waking up this morning having watched the special last night saying, i kind of miss him. >> those are the best talking

it felt stronger to me. >> larry: well, you were stronger, right? when i was on dialysis and i was singing, i would get tired very, very quickly. >> larry: explain the title, "love brought me back." >> well, i think that the love of my family and the people around me really helped to bring me out of a really sad, dark place after cookie passed. i really didn't know how i was going to move forward. i really didn't. >> larry: as the subtitle says, "a journey of loss and gain." i mean, mixed emotions. >> yeah, it is. >> larry: someone dies and you get a new kidney from someone else' sister. >> it's what you call bittersweet. it's almost the same kind of feeling that i get, even still, when i look at the screen when i'm singing "unforgettable" and we have a video of dad, you know, in a live performance. and it's still bittersweet to, you know, be singing with him, but wishing he was here. >> larry: we'll be back with more. the book is, "love brought me back." more with natalie cole after this. ♪ [ male announcer ] every day thousands of people are switc

you were fantastic, right? you were a good lover. >> i tried hard, larry. it requires chemistry. making. you can't do it with a table, unless it's a hell of a table. but committed because of a ferocious deep love of femininity of women and anatomy. i love the aroma of a woman, the "scent of a woman" to quote dear al pacino. i love the variety. it got a bit much. if you're loose in a candy store for too long, you get diabetes. >> larry: did you wake up and not know who you were with? >> if you put name tags on them, that's offensive. >> larry: yeah, it is. >> often there was not just one, there were two. >> larry: there were two? >> i was looking for the one. i was thorough. sometimes i would audition three or four at once. so occasionally, it was difficult to remember everybody's names. it would have been a bit impolite. you can't say see you later, sunny jim, me ole pat and brute. you run out of euphemisms and pet phrases. >> larry: you didn't have a type, you didn't say i liked tall blonds. >> they are nice. i'm inclusive. there was the element of if it was a bit yuck, or but i

seeger," you know, "are you--were you a member of the communist party?" and he answered, he said, "well, i was polite, if uncooperative." and he said, "i wished i had done what paul robeson had done," which was to stand up, point at these people, and say, "you're the un-americans." and, you know, what we have in here-- and it's wonderful as a connecting link for generations for pete seeger to talk about paul robeson, and for people now growing up to understand that that was something that made it possible for beastie boys to sing some of the songs they're singing now, for the rap groups to sing what they're singing. it started with people like paul robeson and pete seeger. and those guys faced tremendous oppression and censorship because of the message of the music. you had an experience with the byrds in eight miles high where it's just kind of insane reaction to the song. roger mcguinn tells the story about how you were sure it was going to be a big hit, and his story is that it was written about an airplane flight. it was written about an airplane flig

if you were going to bet with somebody, you were going to -- you'd have to find a broker, but you couldmake a bet that bethany's earnings were going to deteriorate dramatically in the wake of her book coming out, that this book is not going to be a success. and so you could buy an instrument that would pay you if i crash and burn. and that would be -- that would be a credit default swap. you'd have to find somebody who's willing to take the other side of the bet who is going to say no, bethany mclean is going to excel. then you'd basically set up a contract between the two of you in which you'd agree payments to be made and adjusted measures of my success or failure. >> isn't it just gambling? >> you know it didn't start out as gambling. nothing on wall street every does. so it started out as fairly legitimate. say i'm bethany mclean. i might want to buy a credit default swap on myself because then, should i crash and burn, i have protection. i have -- i have something that pays me, that compensates me for my crashing and burning. so if you have a wall street firm that has made a loan t

>> only as a joke. >> larry: you were so close you converted to catholicism? . >> larry: you did not see him drinking? >> no. >> these rages were not when he was inebriated? >> no, not for the first two years. he was wonderful and attentive and loved me so much. he would carry me around and pick me up out of nowhere. his friends said he was the healthiest and happiest they have ever seen him. >> larry: do you turn on the television and see a movie of his that is on? >> sure, we watched -- >> larry: no, now do you watch them? >> no, not now. >> larry: it's sad. >> i guess what i am

yesterday, you were trending o twitter. everyone was talking about you.ming on today. >> yeah. >> jimmy: i wanted to -- i wanted to ask this last time you we on. your mom was achool bus driver? >> yes. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i just think that is -- that is probably the greatest thing i've ever heard, i mean. "hey kids, you're getting' to school early today." [ laughter ] >> belt in. >> jimmy: yeah, belt in. yeah, all the kids wearing helmets on the bus. they're like, "oh man, buckle up." >> the worst part about it is my mom was a bus driver in a different school district than where i went to school and every day, i would find -- hopefully find a new bus driver when -- e first day of school, i should say -- and i would walk on and my mom had made contact with that bus driver and they would make me sit in the front row. every time. i'm like, "come on, mom, not again!" >> jimmy: really? >> oh yeah, they're ke, "johnson, you're sitting up front. we talked to your mom." >> jimmy: love that. oh my gosh. see? mom's always looking out for y0u. >> all the fun was

you missed all of them for a score of zero. we werenz, garet baldwin, pat jacks, fred "happy" benson, sandy krandall, and that last one you almost missed, would have been easy if you saw it, danny pumpkin. [ laughter ] danny -- danny pumpkin. well that is the end of the game. [ laughter ] it's tied for last place with zero points. and missed out on the grand prize of a flat-screen tv. but nobody goes home empty handed. higgins, what will they be taking home? >> steve: well, jimmy, they'll each be getting a t-shirt emblazoned with the name of the guy they failed to correctly identify. [ laughter ] wear your shame in style! jimmy -- [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: pretty good. show the camera. yeah, thank you. [ laughter ] enjoy your prize. those t-shirts are great. that's all the time we have. i'll see you next time on "name that guy!" we will be right back with daniel radcliffe! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hey, uh, marty? yeah. sorry. did you just text me that my house is an eyesore? it's okay. i switched to sprint's $69.99 plan. so i

>> correct. >> rose: you were halfback? >> yes, i was. >> rose: were you pretty good? as the fastest of the slow, according to the -- >> rose: were you old conference? >> i am just telling you i was a good high school football player, i happened to be recruited by bill walsh, the great. >> rose: oh i love him. 49ers coach. >> at the time he was to the head recruiter for mark lebie, in high school i had been coached by dick vermeil -- it was great -- >> rose:. >> it helped me get this job. >> rose: what that you had a football in your background? >> no. when i was hired, john huey asked, i wasn't sure -- >> rose: john huey. >> i was not sure what magazine he was talking about, there were openings at time, inc. and he said, hey, did you -- can you name 5 nfl coaches? i actually played for three. and. >> rose: so he was impressed right there. >> it became a joke. i was not a very good football player. i stopped playing, i didn't finish four years, i did go to cal on a scholarship. >> rose: did you dabble with going to newsweek or not. >> i thought it threw. i like sydney h

you were not looking to condemn him. we were going to take it or average went. i hope it reflects that. there are things about justice brennan that he did that we point out that are, perhaps, worthy of question or criticism. those include is hiring -- refusal to hire women clerks long after he had written pioneering women's rights decisions. he decided to withdraw an offer to a clerk in the 1960's because of that. >> alleged ties to communist groups. it was not necessarily a moment of bravery on his part. so hopefully what we have done is taken a middle-of-the-road approach. he is called into question when merited. he gets the credit he deserves. a couple of games i thought i would talk about a little bit that are in the book and are some of the key insights. there is this notion that a liberal justice or judge reads his own personal preferences into his decision. that really is not the case. the man that we write about is a very conservative person. as i mentioned, he refused to hire women clerks in 1970 when he was recommended the first one by his former clerk

you. this is a day burned in the memory of all of us who were alive in those days. , to you, jerry, what are you reporting in the book that you think people would learn something knew about the assassination and what happened in dallas and after dallas. >> the primary motive was to set the record straight. it seems like history has been run away with on the part of what i call a cottage industry, of conspiracy theory. when the conspiracies reached the point where they were accusing our fellow agents of being part of a conspiracy or shotting the president, shotting -- shooting the president, with he decided there are not that many of us left and those that are left are getting elderly and we felt it was time to speak out now. >> clint hill, you were there in that famous picture. you were climbing in the video and in the film as well. you were climbing on to the back of the car and can you tell us more about the emotions as you were responding to this crisis? >> it was strictly a reaction, rather than emotion. i was trying to get there in time to get up on top of the c

i was. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you were -- you were. something you were going to do before you were on "modern family." >> i was. >> jimmy: you had a scheme. a plan. >> a scheme is incredibly flattering -- for what we were going to do. >> jimmy: what were you going to do? who was it? >> i was unemployed for a while right before "modern family," and my brother and i thought, well, gosh, maybe we'll make t-shirts. we love comedy and we also just love a good t-shirt. so, why not try to make funny -- funny t-shirts? >> jimmy: what would your t-shirts say? >> well, we started off pretty simply. i think the first -- the earlier ones, they were kind of like takes on old sayings, so the early ones, you can lead a horse to water but if it's nervous or physically ill, you're going to have a mess on your hands. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's very funny. very -- >> i know. but then they got -- they got really weird and long. >> jimmy: yeah. that is -- >> and they got so weird that i actually had to write this one down because i, literally, couldn't

and people thought you were... you know, what is this pipsqueak doing giving us lectures about care? >> rose: and there was always, you said, a consciousness or at least this was your point of view, there was a consciousness of what the deal means for the employees. it wasn't just financial engineering. >> that's right. >> rose: it had consequences. >> yes. and you know the interesting thing about this-- and i know you're referring to the notion of caretaker share holding which is a very good concept that people have... that the responsibility of directors, for instance, and shareholders is not just to the stockholders but also to the stakeholders, as they call it, and the people who drive the trucks and do the work. and yet it's very hard to put the concept into being because the law says all you're entitled to take into account is the price of the stock. but stay home with these concepts of stakeholder capitalism. >> rose: and you were saying this... a number of years ago. >> yes. with very little... >> rose: litt

you were a great friend of francois mitterrand. >> yes. >> rose: what was the most important thing you accomplished there? >> when i was ambassador of france? >> rose: yes. >> well, things were not going that well between the french and ourselves in that period, especially the beginning of the iraq war and everything else. but... so there was a certain amount of tension. i think the... i think that i was able to fulfill the logic of being an ambassador who are is... who does things and who helps relationings between... >> rose: and you were an ambassador who who spoke french. >> which is helpful. >> rose: and your wife learned to speak french while you were there and i heard her at the embassy one night and she gave an award. >> yes. but it's hard to imagine when one comes from abroad what it can do to your psyche to look in the mirror and say "i'm an american." "i'm not only the ambassador but i'm the american ambassador." i remember going down to speak in marseilles when we were giving a medal to the memory of a young man nameder haveian frye. >> rose: what a great... yes, they made