. >> and youngen, i think. >> older men too, especially older men like me. you can vouch for that. >> oh, you enjoyed that one, didn't you? >> yes, i did. >> i was going to ask you, i had kelsey grammer on the show and he bailed -- >> oh, my gosh. i'm dieing to know what happened. >> i'll tell you what happened. he was out there and i was given a set of questions and researched it and he was quite happy to talk about his ex-wife camille and then he was in the green room and actually saw a picture of him and her popping up in the open for the show and he saw a rehearsal of it, tried to get us to change it. there wasn't change, we had two minutes. opened with five different pictures. one with camille and saw this picture appear and him and his entourage left the building. >> what did you do? >> up the creek without a paddle. >> we carried on with the politics and i just kept teasing the fact he may or may not come back. luckily it was a huge ratings bonanza. he did better without being on air. did you ever have that. >> i've never had anyone bail on me once in