he and his wife came to youngstown state universityy quite frankly, when it was a sleepy university somewhere in the city of the city of youngstown and came in with a vision for the community, came in with a vision of the university and quite frankly, i think history will judge him as one of the leaders on how a university can have a transformational effect on a community and youngstown state university, the city of youngs stoun, all have been recognized for their partnerships they have created but doctor suite, on every account that we would measure his success or failure as a president, has clearly succeeded. enrollment is up 25%. minority enrollment is up. the university has created the first science, technology, engineering, and math college of all the universities in ohio. took youngstown state university and used it as an %% engine for not only economic %% deprothe and research but alsoo for help regular define the city of youngstown and in so many way he is provided lladership for our university and our community. i want to hear, on the floor of the -- i want to, here on the

the question and make it into a legal question because i think it's directly relevant under the youngstown analysis whether congress and the president do work together. >> when the two are together, the courts find more power, not less, right? >> th is correct. >> now you're still solicitor general of the united ates. from that point of view, would you urge this congress to work with the executive branch to create statutes to help the courts better answer these questions? >> well, senator graham, i think i don't want to talk as solicitor geral as to legal policy here. >> okay. >> but i will say -- >> go ahead. >> --as to the legal matter, that it makes a difference whether the congress and the president work togher, that courts should take note of that, that courts should -- when that occurs, the action is -- ought to be given the most deference and that there's a reason for that. >> right. >> it's because the courts are basically saying congress and the president have come together. congress and the president have agreed upon a policy jointly and there should be deference in those circums

it is a cruel hoax to say that if you tinker with nafta, you will restore jobs in youngstown, ohio. host: twitter comment -- guest: you know, the myth of these agreements is that date or present a free market. even dad would admit that a lot of the rules in -- dan would admit that a lot the rules go against the free market. what these agreements do is set rules. it is not anything about freeing the market. it is just a different set of rules to benefit a different set of interests. host: charlotte, north carolina, is where the next caller comes from. caller: thank you. mr. tucker, thank you for defending our manufacturing jobs. mr. griswold, i am a republican. i graduated from the university of massachusetts. we don't have no more manufacturing jobs. for example, you just said shoes. nike has an initiative that produces on average for $50. if you are on this television station defending nafta, you are defending the wrong stuff, sir. they are affecting master's degrees, bachelor's degrees, and low-wage folks. [unintelligible] we are losing our jobs by the thousands and millions. and

it is a cruel hoa to say that if you tinker with nafta, you will restore jobs in youngstown, ohio. host: twitter comment -- guest: you know, the mytof these agreements is that date or present a free mket. even dad would admit that a lot of the rules in -- dan would admit that a lot the rules go against the free market. what these agreements do is set rules. it is not anything aboutreeing the market. it is just a different set of rules to benefit a different set of interests. host: charlotte, north carolina, is where the next caller comes from. caller: thank you. mr. tucker, thank you for defending our manufacturing bs. mr. griswold, i am a republican. i graduated from the university of massachusetts. we don't have no more manufacturing jobs. for example, you just said shoes. nike has an initiative that produces on average for $50. if you are on this television station defending nafta, you are defending the wrong stuff, sir. they are affecting master's degrees, bachelor's degrees, and low-wage folks. [unielgible] we are losing our jobs by the thousands and millions. and we are not p

he was in youngstown last month at another stimulus-related event, again, road improvements to pave the way for the expansion of a steel company. he has been in the cleveland area three times this year. that is home to about 40% of the state's democrats. so, i think in an election year, part of the aim is to make sure the base is wis -- with him, with congressional races and a hotly contested governor's race. host: have you seen a lot of evidence of stimulus spending and the columbus area besides of this project of president is coming out to do? guest: there was one very visible example, very early when the stimulus bill was passed. the president came to town to dedicate a new police class, which would not have been possible without stimulus funding. the city of columbus, like most, is experiencing financial tough times. and the mayor announced the city lacked funding for a new police class. through stimulus money, they were able to fund it and the president came here to dedicate that class. host: what is the economy like in columbus, ohio, and in general? guest: we have been in -- sinc

the question and make it into a legal question because i think it's directly relevant under the youngstown analysis whether congress and the president do work together. >> when the two are together, the courts find more power, not less, right? >> that is correct. >> now you're still solicitor general of the united states. from that point of view, would you urge this congress to work with the executive branch to create statutes to help the courts better answer these questions? >> well, senator graham, i think i don't want to talk as solicitor general as to legal policy re. >> okay. >> but i will say -- >> go ahead. >> -- as to the legal matter, that it makes a difference whether the congress and the president work together, that courts should take note of that, that courts should -- when that occurs, the action is -- ought to be given the most deference and that there's a reason for that. >> right. >> it because the urts are basically saying congress and the president have come together. congress and the president have agreed upon a policy jointly and there should be deference in those circ