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>> younow, because i'm the pentagonorrespondent, someone said this to me thattayed with me forer. my biggest fear from t mitary perspective is that iraq doesn't fall apt quickly, t that... >> moyers: iraq? >> iraq. that iraq fallapart slowly. and that we fi ourselves in a ple where we're doing this withroops. that as we're slowly bringg down troops in iraq and slow building up in afghanist, we find ourlves in a really difficult tuation in both countries. >> moys: so, you fear we have to reengagin iraq? >> i fear that we're goi to find... don't know that the united stes will. mean, the status of forces agreemenmakes it very clear that the unid states is not going to engage. >> moyers: the iraqis nt us out. >> that's ght. >> moyers: the's a legal agreement to get out. >> that's right. but what happens whethe violence srts to escalate in iraq and starts escalate in afghanistan, and wre say, at 80,000 troops in both untries? what is the uned states role at that pot? is the plato sit aside and do nothing? will the iraqi government stl feel tt way? depending on whathe violence is? that'

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growing up with nancy wilson and cannonball adderly and i had always wanteto do something ke that, younowersation with the musician that is plain. that is really what we kind of went for wh this. but in our own way with our own voice. tavis: i wanto go way back and then come forward again. because i respe marriages a after almost 40 years i do not want to break you up. who should i ask t question of hoyou met? >> i will takthe question. tas:take theuestion, mr. alrt. >> i will take door . 4. [laughter] 1966, addition -auditions for a&m and i walked into the auditions and i was more thinking abouthe soundf the grp then looking at lonny, but we signed the grp to ann a&m and we started traling wit brazil '66 and sergio. lani and i became friends. there was like awo-year time frame, a ye and a half, it might have been eight nths. [laughter] we became very good friends and we are still great iends. we are some has stilleen a greaexperience for me. shhas changed my life. she is myuardian angel. tavis: watch how th works at home. the of you who are mried, asd who should i ask -- those of you are

as younow, secrety holbrooke participat in aninternational coerence in which they attended and they have interests there as ll in a stable afghanistan. >> rose: they're very interesd in that. and theye not a fend of the taliban,re they? >> you knothe historys well i do. >> rose: with respect t the middleast, theresident clearly disappointed thatit hadn't started. he tri to add a see of gency for the process to start. day's paper have stories of considering question of settlement where is the president on an issue of concn to both parties on settlements? >> well, he was.... >> rose: has he chged? >>o. i an, he was very clear to both parties about the importance of geing the peace process stted. second, hepoke.... >> ros and disappointed that it had not happened by this time. >>isappointed for them. >> rose:ight. >> they ved side by side. u can't want this mor than they want it ey have a responsibility to their peoplef they want to make peace and have i a two-state solutionhat's based on the principles of past israeli govements and past americ presidents regaress party have endorsed. as ha

but part of the rson why it happened is, younow the nature, the men ntz withdrawing om gaza it happened unilatelly. it was called by the israeli government yuan laal rat sengagement. theyid it withoutengagement th us. en that happens it does not really lve the palestinian authority... it did not ave th palestinian ahority.... >> rose: it was not a negotiated procs. it was just "we're out here." >> they pretty much left and threw the keyver the fence more or less. you know "we'll do things this way." you do not lve the palesnian authity with much inhe eyes of the people for havingeally getting the point to get the israelis to thdraw from gaza. so th authority did not g the lift out of this that w necessary politically. but, you know i'm not soone will shy ever awa from admiing our ownailures. you know the authorityid not build the way ithould have given many this. i mean, theontext in which we were operating was never ideal continues to be t so. i think we shld have done bett. we should haveoneetter but the key lesn out of at exrience i unilateralism in the way that israel withdrew from

your md, younow, you have clear md.u just keep up with what's going on. >> everybody gets thingsut of work that they don't get out of being a home, or on the porch, we used to say about retirement. one ofhe things we found in our study is that the holy workers likeorking. they like the socialetwork that they find at work. they le the structure that it provides to their day. they like being out the house. >> bonnie: the arage american now works untiage 63. but professor munnell says data show that a person should stay in the wkforce until t age 66, whh was the average age retirement ithe early 1960s. professor munnelis calling on the government to rae the eligibility age for soal security benefi to help convince more ericans to work longer. >> so untilbout 1990, the trend was for an earlier retiremnt. since th, we really haveeen a reversalor both men and women, and it's due to chaing incentives within social security, a moveme away from the old-fashioned define befit plan, towas 401k plans which he no retirement incentiv

so it is jus like a funny place to -- younow, it is better than it used to be.n, ihink this is just a case o you know who i am. i'm a boston cop. sometimes it is just guys being ys. you know, that's what would likeo think. that's whai go into itith. if i g into it with any other titude then i go to a negative place. it seems to he worked itself out. they both seem thave -- i understand ty are going to a red sox ga or something. ah, fine. tavis: bl clinton bringing those journalis back to burbank of all places? >> that's what h does great. he is great diplomat. he doesn'tepresent the government. he wt on aumanitarian mission. the fact that they were two attractive women. i'm not sure he would ve rescued helen thomas. my favorite is governor mark sanford. that's the guy. tavis: i was gng to go there. >> honey i'm goingor a wal and you go to argentina tsee your girlfend and then wt do you do? you call her yr soul mat ! , when you're married you don't call your girriend your soul mate, you idiot! yor a dead man! tavis: you mentied sanford. was there somethingeyond t

. >> speakg of the ubsidies, so younow have democra, many liberal and those are baucus' netiating partners, not really the republica anymore especially- except for olympia snw, and even snowe when i interewed her this week sd i want mo subsied for low and middle income people. can they find money fo that? what do you think going to happen o that? >>he other ting that enator baucus put onhis bill hat's a netwist is this big tax on what they cal cadillac insurance policies. but theye really not tht cadillac according to s many pele. he's looking at an $8,00 policy for an individual. we know that many unins, the average policy in thicountry is p around $12,000. soit's a ta that ould potentially hit a loof peopl to your question abot is there room to increase thesubsies, thers always room for a little bit of horstrading. we're really just tting into the fun right now. his is just the first yea, what's called a chairman'smark when he puts down his ides. all nextweek ther's ging to be all kinds of amendments going on out in pblic and bd closed doo. gwen: i thk there is a snse thatome form o this

growingp in a pitical family, younow, tavis, is not easy to have the scrutiny, the prs, the time ay thattakes to be involvedn public life. it is a vy grueling business. but i sahow much satisfaction skin how much satisfaction m father got from e job. it has its benefits. thatas its good thin and it's bad. i a very proud of my family's legacy, so having that last name isomething that has de me very pro. at the same time, i think people pre-judge whyou are, what yo thk, may have alrea formed anpinion aboutme because they have an opinion about my family. of course, my dad an his brothers befor him ve made me coroversy, plitical decisionin their lives. not eryone is happy. you know that my dad has been on the liberal rt of the democric party for 50 yea, and not everyone that wknow is liberal democrat. my father ha been a lightning rod for a lot of conservatives and other people who just dnot share his political philophy. at times, those statements, ose criticisms have been personal. would be lyg to you if told youhat if some those did not hurt my feelings psonally, even thoh i know that he w

happen, because shoot, the people realizedhat this was their opportunity to say wt they need to say, younow. and whate were trying to do anwhat i was alwaysalking to markbout and hoping to do was to show sort of t heroics, again, in the everay individu to recognize that the heroism that gs on on a daily basis just by sometimes getting up and going oside your dr and walking down thetreet to a job that you psibly don't love to take ce of kids i a school system that you don't like, you know what i mean? tavis: i'm gd that sundance is showing this for fiv consecute nights and it's good of them to do that. but i have som sense what the ndance demographic , and i'm raising this only because sundance clely ain'to b.e.t., we know wht we're talking about re. d i'm wondering whether or not -- i think the answer is probablyes, but i want your take on this. is this the right audnce? is thithe right audience to see this? ultimately we nt to get traction on this iss, and we needo get traction wh the right people. tell mwhat people are going to t when they get a chance to see this. >> well, i think it's d

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greta: did younow who joe wilson was before he yelled out that comment? >> no. greta: so there is a bit of truth that there? >> when that happened, everyone said that he was the weakest person in the world. greta: being rude does get you on the news shows, that is true. >> news is something out of the ordinary. yelling at the president in the middle of a joint session of congress does not happen every day. it does not mean that we are lionizing joe wilson. let me say clearly, it was the obama campaign that dropped the race question. that said the clintons were racist. they made the case to reporters off the record that the clintons were racist. for him to get up with a straight face and say this, -- greta: how did they bring it up? >> it was a whisper campaign that the clintons did not like him because he was black. famously it was lyndon johnson who side -- signed the civil rights act. somehow it became a racist statement to allies of barack obama. he allowed that to happen. he allowed it to fester, that they were animated by bigotry. he did nothing to clear th

do younow at adjacent to us ans sitting in the heart new yor city. skip jfk airrt. at laguard airport you already have the other side of isrl so 's a tiny country. so we have to make sure -- charlie: that's the burden to live with butou live with that burden but youlso live with the burden of history. and that cuts bh ways. at you have an opportunity to take risks that may possibly create lestinian state that's able to live and remo the fe at citizens have lived with since 48. yohave the possibility. >>ell charlie, let me tell you, it's my fondest dream and i think it requires, it will reire a courageous partne on the palestinias side as well. anit will require staying t hand of iran. at is using every power available to it, to undermine the most and to advance terror not oy from a distance but close. >> charlie: and they sa puicly too. this is t something they're saying in private. >> that's true. >> charlie: so how long is your winw before weapons are within rch and you say we've given u the united states an 've aske you to find through negotiation or sanctions or

ye >> charlie: younow the reasonab they don't do at. >> why do you think thedon't do that, if i can switch roles foa moment. >> charlie: i would think demographics and who you would define as eligible and thgs ke that. >> i think it's t thateason. i thi that the palestinian society isot forgiving. on the other side are has and the other ereme groups that openly say we want to desoy e state of isrl. th fire thousands of rock intes our territory and make no bones about it. on t otr side are more moderate facti. they say well we're not espousinterror, we're doing other things but they don't ally say it'sover. they don't sayell we'll get the state and we cease the conflict, ase all claims agnst israel,e make a permanent peac with e jewish state. because f many of them, there is a subtext and the subtext is weget a state not to end t conflict but toerpetuate the colict with better terms. and th flood th with th refugees and offspng and thattal fies israel as a jewish state. i salook i want to join this issue becau this is where the guts, t soul of israeli people is. evybody wants to make peace.

the relationship my fathernd i had was, younow, a very diffent one. so.know, it was still strict. my father had very hh expectations ome, judy. and think he had the same conversation with that his ther had had with him, which was, you know, "ddy, you're going toave to make up your mind what kind of lifeou're going toead-- you're either gointo lead a productive or serious life or you'reot. and if you want to lead a producti life, i'm going to be here everytep of the way to ke sure you achieve those goals. d if you don't, i'll love yo ju the same but, you know, i'm not going to stand around an wait forou to make up your mind." >> reporter: halso wrote abou of course, there was so ch tragedy and pain in his life, and he wro about how he just had to keep goi, keep moving. i mean, ere are points in the book where it feels like it st have been exhausting to beed kennedy. >> think he us... i think the reason why he pt moving was that he had souch building up inside of him. that he just fellike he needed to pac you know, every minute of every d, and just... to ki

and i guess, younow, my own -- i ver asked anybody to have pity on me for my decisions. i knew what i was getting into. i was not in any way a victim of anybody. but i do think there were a lot of people out there, d i think that it behooves us all go easy on the judgment plus some when you think about the millions of people who have gotten in trouble beause everybody has got a story, and they are sympathetic when you talk to them in perso the reaction i've gotten though as i said has been mixed. i will give you a sampling. i won't give you the long extended grants that have come my way but trust me i've gotten a lot of them directly through e-mail and in the blogosphere among the names i'veeen caed a loser, lawyer, and medish, jerk, dufus, fraud, irresponsible, greedy, selfish andhe complete i am getting a lotately as i don't show. i guess they haven't used this word but i ashameless i think what you're saying. people are upset that i am not saying i am rry for what i did. and they are not seeing -- they are doing i am being accountable for my own decisions and that i s

>> when i sit by you eye by eye and younow robbing my apartment and i will ask you, peter, why are you robbing my apartment, maybe he will not rob it the second time. my father looked humiliated when at the asked him to send protest to the united states. he told them my presence for the foreign minister gramika when they are protest and how they are laughing at me, the u2 flight that pushed these arms race and development of all thes antiaircraft weapons but americans knew, i hope they knew that the soviets at the time was able to shoot it and why they send it? maybe they're saying that these two old men went too far because my father know he was rdy to sign the treaty. and i get eisenhower also wanted to do it the last accord of his team and maybe somebody didn't want it to be signed. i know it was many people who thought that it was not in the soviet interest. >> now, you mentioned earlier the instant where mayor paulson insulted khrushchev in los angeles. then khrushchev got mad and threatened to go home. the dinner ended in a moment of anxiety and then khrushchev went upstairs to h

a moment of reckoning for isrlis and regardless of what the inntions of palestinians are-- which, younow, islways... the palestinians ways use the israelis as an euse and the israelis always use e palestinians as an excuse. it doesn matter what their intentions are because what's ultimately at stakis israel's fure and they've got to take care of it themselves. rose: do you believe that those same people believe tt thgs are being cared out in the name of security that they believe is doing some damage to... i don't think >> i don't think ty think it's security. you know, wh you look at the settlements, forxample, you have lot ofsoldiers protectingery few people and inangerousositions. ariel sharon started t selements really for military reasons, not for ideological reasons. he naughyou put settlents.... >> rose:ell, that's security, that national security. >> right. but overime it's likeort of the ideology, the rigious ionists. the erlly zionists re secular, they were noteligious. and religion zionists cam in d attached value t the place slarn... i mean he talked out the place but it s re

younow, why did ronald reagan offend so my pple in europ because at the time even though he was right and was proven right and i think he freed about 100 billion europeans there was that cowboy swagger that scared them. even reagan who i never saw that in him. george w. bushad that swagger. same with delay and sort of, and it just dsn't translate well in new england. >> host: get -- let's get to the book. i have a million questions but let me preface i wit this. whe you were a young one coming up, when you were a young man living in florida at some points you became political. you ma a decision to be a conservative. you made a decision to be a repuican or you started yourself, or you started thinking of yourself as a conservative. briefly how did that happen? what went into the making of a conservative in your case? >> guest: i think in my case it was a time that i got interested in politics. jimmy barter was predent. >> host: you were a young man. >> guest: iith -- i was 17, 18 my senior year. we had the iranian hosta crisis. inflation was at 21%. america was in that. i talk about th

. >> rose: and younow what you listenin for. >> yes. you know what you are looking for.simply didn't certainly not at local level. we weren't doing any this at a local lel. we werettacked here in 1993. the worltrade center bombing. was the police commissioner then whent happened and it s seen a, sort of an arration. sort of six crazy guys got together a did this. it wasn'seen to be lked to a sortf internional move, obviously that was wrong. >> it actually we back to at leastthe -- asssination in 1990. but it was ju sort of brushed aside. that allchanged with septber1th. from that time on you realize that we were up ainst at least an internatnal -- >>ou have an opinion on whether the people o want to do harm to the united states in that manner are growing or are they shrinking? >> i think it's difficult to say. wch individus wh become radicalized in different ways. even on the internet or they will have a sanction or somebody in a particular lotion that seems to motivate them. it's difcult to get mber on them. we d't know. we don't kno we -- our operational premise, you m

able to develop robots that wil be able to do whatever a human could do or maybe even betterith, younow, the technology? >> what do you think? >> i'm wondering if they would raer send robots instead of humans and not risk the person's life and so on. >> well, it actually is pretty much the conflict going on. almost everything you can think of as being a probe that they send up, you could say the rer that went to mar is the a robot. you can say that almost everything that doesn't have a person in it that nasa sends out is a kind of a robot, and that's actually the biggest conflict because when you send human beings, you have to take into account all this stuff to keep them alive that's very difficult. but at the same time there's nothing like a human being response to things in real life for exploration. there's only so much the robot can tell us. you know? yes, sir. >> well, as a, pardon me, as an extension to that i'd like to ask a question of all of you guys, how many of you know that the premier science research center for na is about 7 miles away from us right now? show of hands? >>

and what i thoug, younow, obama would give one speech about, you know, health care at lunchtime and the stimulust 3:00 in the afternooandurban renewal at 6:00 and israel at 8:00. and what dyou do. but here is what i think i interesting. agn, this would have been heresy in the reagan era, you know, you had one ssage and that was it. and you made sure everybody got it and that's not what is happening any more. again there are so my diffent platforms to carry yo message now. you can have nine a day t doesn't maer. >> rose: speaking that, allen, what ppened to the restauranted idea that this caaign following the howard dean camign mastminded new media. theyere very smart about it they used it ver well. they raise money. th used al kin of ans to get out their message, both aa candidateand now as president. how, where is that all going? >> wl, it's definitely a big piece of what's going on here. all you need to dos go on tohite hse.gov an will u see links to facebook, twter, my space, even itunes, so they are very smart about this i think jennifer wrote out this in her piece very interesting

he reportedly, according to the sources, he has his shoes off, younow what shoes can do to a muslim as you recently found out, president bush i think found out. and anyway, the point is you have to wear a wire. he says i'm not wearing a wire. i'm sleeping on the floor. basically, that's it. so salem withdraws. now the fbi loses his eyes and ears. and what does he do? calls pakistan and gets ahead of them, and rahman comes in with an terrorists. here's how they get in, september of '92. he has a suitcase full of bomb books, recipes, he has passports, swedish with his picture pasted on with scotch tape. meant to be busted. rahman slips in behind him and goes with a women. did you know how many times women almost stop this? another female ihs, these guy came in. he claims he's an iraqi refugee. and the bass says, look welcome -- boss says look, we just gave it to the other nut case. i'm sor. she stamps and it t mozart of terror who she gets in and all of the guys that were on the surveillance. what do they find by the way? he's carrying a book. and in arabic wring it says the basic rule.

and, younow, if you're in a polluting industry, e most obvis way to do that is to shift your cleanupublic. make yourself billionaire by isoning the rest of us. >> smith: are you saying the market's dtorted? >> you show me a pluter, i'll show you a subsidy. >> smithchicken farmers bristled when the obama ep started demanding pollution discharge perms this spring. the industrylaims it's already doing enou. the poultry industry is doi more every year. we'rseeing more best magement practices on fas. ouprogram to put trees on poultry farms to uptake th nutrients a very progressive thing. there are more and morprograms offered to help farmers t in manure storage buildingsand as the scnce says we can do more without putting r people out of busess, i'm sure we will do more. >> smith: but environmtalists like rick dove remain sktical. >> now this indury says they'rdoing better, and you ow, i can't say if that's tr or false. but i n tell you that what i'm seei here on the ground right now is absolutely terrib. so if was worse before, then i can understand why the bays in such bad trble. >> smi

th demonstrate -- younow, they've shown you through their officials paper eir willingness to enge on th nuclear issue, which is n to engage on the nuclear issue, so why would you want to have talks with them if it didn't? and are you saying you would sit down with iran to talk about whether they are willing to engage on the nuclear issue or argue not going to sit across the table from iran unless the nuclear issue is on the table? >> we expect it to -- we would hope it would be a substance exchange. we will go into such a meeting should iran agreed to prepare to talk about the substance of the issues and concerns we have on iran's nuclear program as was outlined. we feel they are out of compliance with obligations on iaea, security council resolutions and we wish to have direct dialogue with iran. we believe the president has said repeatedly we feel this is the way which we will be able to and hope we can resolve these issues. our objecve is clear to prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon. i don't think we can resolve this issue any other way but through the kind of direct dia

[laughter] welcome younow, i want to go to school up their. i said is your name such and such? yes. you are this person? yes. you have a's all the way through. how did that happen? is this you? [laughter] yes, thats me. and it was like a mamorphosis. he started being the real pers that he was i said why did you talk that way to me when you first came in? he said well, you know, people accused you of being cute or trying to put on an ad or be smarter than they are. i sa thenhat is what you want to be. you want to be smarter tha the next person. you want to be the best tha you can be. you want to live up to the highest possibility of your attainment. now your parents might not have the education and many instances that they could have ha and that hs where we need to start. not just with the kids. we have got to start with the parents to gewe can't allow the parents to believe that someone is going to raise tir children. we can't allow the fathers to believe that they can be the father at theime when those kids a able to play a sport. that is my son, but was he your son en he needed so

did younow he was a musicn? a good musian as well as an ordained minister. sweetest friends childn have ever had. that'sn honorary degree that i treasure. it's from a school in the bronx where iave the commencent address at kindearten gradtion, and they gave me an honorary degree, and as you can see, it says doctor of crayons. i'm very happy with that. i will still go back and immerse myself in books from the civil rights ear ramp -- era. to be honest, i spend a lot of time reading children's books. this is a wonderful one, a sixth grer gave me this book, a little girl in the bronx. the giver, it's very reminiscent of george orewell of 198 4. it's more subtle. it's a beautiful book. adultsike this book as much as childrel do. i just -- i lie down, literally lie down sometimes, and just grab something at random off the tabl and -- you know, when i need sort of strong nourishment, that's not polical at allnd has nothing to do with all the injustices we face, i will just go through an anthology of poetry, and i mark everything i like. i particularly liked the a

younow how a start. guess what. the teacher has to say what. i went to the zoo yesterday with my uncle pokey. guess what? and then he goes on and tells a wonderful story about a baby bear that he just saw and then he asks a question. and the question might be a tough question. you know, an interesting question. there is no time for that in these inner-city schools. teacher has to cut him off. that is not going to help on the exam. as a result, here is what is happening. some of the schools by simply drilling kids for tests all year, especially thwhole two months before the exam, it's all test drill. and it is usually -- it doesn't have to do with literature or anhi. it's like ticks for filling in the bubbles. do you know what i mean by that? like how you eliminate certain ones. it'sust a test trickery. it is not education. some of the schools will boast after we have been doing this, our test scores went up. our fourth grade scores went up three percentage points. and the newspapers will jump on that as a fourth grade scores are up three percen

as younow, we have a number of series of projects we did over the summer. we are connuing our work process on terrorism series involving preventative detention alternatives. we also did a study done on privacy and one of cyber. and these will all be on the web site which i will announce after theiscussion. we are here today though, and it is an honor and pleasure for me to introduce charles johnson, general unsel of the departmentf defense joining today. he is a moorehouse man and lumbia graduate. his degreis a mixture of ivate practice and distinguished service. she began a public service assistant u.s. attorney in the southern distric new york where he prosecuted public corrtion cases. in the late 80's and early 90's, he was a federal prosecutor and tried high-prile case and even argued and number of cases on appeal. joined the famous law fir of paul weiss and there is he went on to do a high-speed commercial cases. he had corporate crimes who ranged from armstrong, citigroup and solomon smith barney. in 2004, he was elected a fellow in the prestigious am

younow, so i don'tnow how he is handling it. i think michelle is little upset that she has to take care of that dog the. i don't think she is too happy about that. i want to see what is going to helping with the mother-in-law living with them. you get to president, and then you have your mother-in-law living with you. >> host:oca raton florida. >> cler: hi, i just want to say you are a very funny man and i enjoyed watching it. on a serious note, what do you think the position or the status of the jesse jackson right now, comped to the election of presidency. do you think jesse jackson is envious of him, angry about him, or happy about him? because, and i am being respectful, jesse is still considered a chocolate leader. >> guest: i understand. it could be a combination of all three, you never know. i mean he was certainly, that shot ohim crying on election night was pretty powerful, but jesse, you know he is not so much your leadoff batter anymore. hes more like a base coach, giving signals and that kind of thing, wanting to sti

>> well, just younow, if you've got a 20 year old who is spending five days day on facebook when is heoingto read? >> well, reading cnges. i agree. you have to write in status reports. i think that people read have much less -- it's the seam thing what mtv did to television. mtv did have large effect on television in terms of people's attention spans i think reading does change as more and more people go on line. i don't know its necessarily negative. i think the writers have to adapt to it. writing changes and there will always be people po who will aet rea t kind of stuff we write but there will be others who read much shorter. it changes and thereill be a wholeeneration of people who want it now andast and want to see it in 140 characters. >> right, right which is great because you only have to write 140 characters at a time. >> but you're not getting paid f it. >> pant is a big problem but who goes into writing to make money. >> you're right about that. but facebook that i one of their big challenges. how are they going to monotize this? >> t interesting thing about the story like i wa

. >> i think the only other thing that i would add is that it would, younow, i think you said it bestndy, wants recommendations from these other pieces that light, one to clear the air on health care reform so that this can proceed forward, but there is no reason that the debate on certain aspects of it can't continue in the absence of congressional movement. that once the recommendations come on the meals part, the department can begin that process of starting to look at developing recommendations. what i would really hate to see, given the currelt economic climate, is for things to be delayed in the congpessional debate to the point where there's just a band-aid put o this to keep funding gng for another year, and cannot really able to grapp with the important issues of access to these programs to all children. >> i think, bob, just to add to that, both in terms of the president's priorities around indian childhood hunge andhe high rate of childhood obesity, ihink we need to make the case again and again and again that this can't wait. at the child nutrition reauthorization has to b