bombing the other thing that happened as a result of the us going into yugoslavia in one thousand nine hundred nine and essentially putting in power. the war criminals from the kosovo liberation army is that an ethnic cleansing campaign was carried out by the us backed kosovo liberation army expelling a quarter of a million serbs and other minorities from kosovo so we want to hold that up as some kind of a success story let's look at the facts on the ground i'm not so sure that what the united states did there in the name of stopping the humanitarian catastrophe or genocide actually had that impact it just shifted who was doing the killing and and also if my recollection is right at that time before we began the bar the bombing there was a pretty aggressive pro-democracy for lack of a better phrase movement that was evolving in that country and of course are put into that i'm curious your thoughts on how. libya and our airstrikes against libya are going to cause i mean already i'm hearing but cher's you know he was yelling before that the people revolted against him so. now he's going

the chamber it took that into consideration related to practices in the former yugoslavia. >> the second croatian general was sentenced to 18 years' imprisonment both generals were found guilty of directing a military campaign in august 1995 to drive residents from the region of croatia, which at the time wasajority served. over 300 civilians were killed and more than nine -- and more than 90,000 forcibly removed from the area. in the capital, thousands watched the court decision live. his supporters expressed shock and anger over the verdict. >> i am very sorry, i wish she was set free. >> he defended his country. those who did wrong have not been punished. where is the justice? >> the case could have consequences for croatia's effortto join the eu. the tribunal's decision is likely to trigger more nationalism and data dispirits of an already euro-sceptic croatian population. >> nato secretary general says he is confident that allies will provide extra aircraft for the no-fly zone operation over libya. he said that he had not yet received specific -- but there were indicationsns thanati

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we allowed things like the rwandan genocide and milosevic's campaigns of killing in the former yugoslavia to go on with out assistance when people were begging for help. western countries were too heavily interventionist often for the wrong reasons. there is a danger of tipping back the other way as well. i do not think these things will go well or easy or need or pretty -- need to or pretty. i do think this is a case where this would be a humanitarian catastrophe if people had not done something. having been on the ground and listen to libyans and knowing that, we have to be cautious and not get stuck. tavis: since your here and you're the guy that runs "the globe and mail", what role have our neighbors' canada played in this process? >> this is a case where canada. -- canada is militarily involved. it is stuck there. stayed out of iraq and was involved in the bosnia and cause of a conflict. it is a small military but it is controversial in canada. anything that involves the military is never treated as a cause for enthusiasm. it is a debate. tavis: their justification for going into the

san is a military action there is always immediate battle going on alongside it and be the former yugoslavia where again to stand huge amounts of taxpayers' dollars are spanner winning the hearts and minds of people on the ground and as artie's lauren lyster reports war can often be a hard thing to sell. the reality of war it was hell and it's why you only go to war when it's impactful interest to your national security it's one reason why coalition forces do battle with an information war to fight alongside the real one playing out on the ground in afghanistan for example so it's not widely known by these milestones along the stuart american history we have surpassed the soviet campaign there we have spent. a lot of money but instead carries this message to morning instanced will continue. of hope and reconstruction in the war torn region which accommodates home shaped piece that's the nato version told in this promotional film it was given to international journalists like myself at the annual nato summit presumably to spread the message public relations after it's like these are nothing n

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also astonishing parallels with all the united states and nato you know conduct of the war against yugoslavia ninety ninety nine your report a little while ago mentioned you know sophisticated satellite telephone communication. more advanced weaponry and so forth you know falling into the hands or being supplied to insurgent forces in libya and that's you know fully comparable to what the united states and nato did with the so-called possible liberation army in the serbian province of possible in one nine hundred ninety nine but it looks like the handbook for military aggression in intervention that the united states and nato have recourse to is very limited options and they tend to replay the same scenarios repeatedly the western powers reserved to them so as the exclusive prerogative of waging war whenever wherever and under whichever pretext they choose to do so. to get an idea of what's happening on the ground in libya you can check out policy and there's a lot at our website you saw our reporting from tripoli a little while ago and her latest post she describes how international journali

have a combatant you can't have parties that are combatants become peacekeepers like nato did in yugoslavia they were amongst the combatants then they send peacekeepers and this is pretty astri's i guess is why you need countries like russia trying on algeria to say peacekeepers and not not germany not italy not britain not friends because they are being are not impartial impartial parties they're biased they're combatants ok we'll have to leave it there. joining us live. very much. thank you. well still ahead for you this hour the royal wedding fever sweeps the world this country ran away from england because so of royalty and kings and queens of the british won it right can do it but the american bison maybe. it's so ridiculous that i'll wipe already apparent oddities radio reporter laura hall from this is in new york where the. is a little more subject. and gas from outer space r.t. goes to russia's most alien visited region to meet the eye witnesses who say the truth is out there. there are three hundred thousand child sex slaves in the u.s. according to a recent human rights report and

in the former yugoslavia both were part of the military top brass thing charge of raids on serbian villages that saw tens of thousands flee and hundreds killed a third was cleared of all charges protests have been staged throughout his about where he is on it is a national hero tribe you know in the hague is often accused of being biased as the majority of cases it hears are against serbs. japan's government is for the operator of the fukushima nuclear plant to pay some twelve thousand dollars to each household forced to evacuate because of radiation leaks it is estimated the compensation bill could end up topping twenty five billion however the country's leadership has come in for its own criticism from those still living in shelters a month on from the quake they say help spin it too little too late when it comes as emergency response crews are finally carrying out intensive searches for tsunami victims near the nuclear plant delayed over radiation fears. italian activist has been found dead in gaza city hours after being abducted but already oh my god me was seized on thursday by islamis

that many troops in iran it's too big country to costly but they can they can do what they did to yugoslavia which is just destroyed by air all in the name of humanitarian war on the name of there's an insane leadership there all these leaders apparently are all insane any country that the us decides to target lead it is clear to be sane and crazy noriega in panama would take it in nicaragua milosevic. saddam hussein in there or there are always very we'll get even the ones that the us was helping and collaborating with as with saddam hussein who's was a witness early years and that's your point that seems to start just seem to be contradiction in what you're saying and what the u.s. position is at the moment on what's going on in libya as we reported this is today we're saying that the u.s. is stepping back from its leading role in the military intervention that it's because washington really wants to distance itself from what's actually going to happen or could happen in libya. you know it's because it's a very unpopular move here in the u.s. and they want lower visibility and so they're l

also astonishing earlobes with all the united states and nato you know conduct of the war against yugoslavia and i think you know you know i'm. a little while ago i mentioned you know sophisticated satellite telephone communication. more advanced weaponry and so forth you know following you know the answer being supplied to insurgent forces in libya and that's you know fully comparable to what the united states and nato did with the so-called possible liberation army in the serbian province of cost of over nine hundred ninety nine looks like the day on board for military aggression an intervention that the united states and nato. has very limited options and they are going to replay the same scenarios repeatedly for the western powers reserved to themselves the exclusive of waging war whenever wherever and under whichever rejects they choose to do so. yes this town blogger rick ross up there well coming up with plans to arm the libyan rebels come under fire. as if they're getting tighter al qaeda experts say the u.s. will be shooting itself in the words rise of weapons. as the coalition forc

also astonishing parallels with all the united states and nato you know conduct of the war against yugoslavia nineteen ninety nine your report a little while ago mentioned you know sophisticated satellite telephone communication. more advanced weaponry and so forth you know falling into the hands or beings of light to insurgent forces and libya and that's you know fully comparable to what the united states and nato did with the so-called cost of the liberation army in the serbian province of possible in one nine hundred ninety nine it looks like the the handbook for military aggression and intervention that the united states and nato have recourse to has very limited options and they tend to replay the same scenarios repeated they want to ask about another angle here we keep hearing that britain is saying it seemed to work for the libyan government over a possible exit strategy for gadhafi something that companies and i have known anyway what is the real story is that you think i would say sions going on behind the scenes. you know i really have no access to go back or to our communications a

its verdict following a three year criminal trial of three generals during the war in the former yugoslavia the early knowing that fieldwork in charge of raids on serbian villages that saw tens of thousands we had hundreds lay protests have been staged throughout their homeland where the generals are considered national heroes the tribunal in the hague is often accused of being biased as a majority of cases years are against serbs. russia's supreme court has accepted an appeal by the defense of the jailed and could be hotter koskie that it was wrong to extend his arrest term in august last year however today's decision would have made no difference to the plight of her coffee who would still have been in jail serving his first term after being convicted of mass fraud and tax evasion in december two thousand and ten he along with his business partner levitt if we're also convinced convinced. were also convinced of money laundering and embezzlement and this me and convicted rather this means they'll remain behind bars until two thousand and seventeen. change or remain mired in problems dmitri

undocumented workers homosexuals and look i watched these kind of movements grow in the breakdown of yugoslavia and i don't take this rhetoric lightly. well chris i want to thank you very much for joining us tonight really it's been a pleasure having you on our show and i really do hope that americans start waking up that we don't see any more of these movements hijacked and the perhaps maybe some day in some way we can still hope for some change in our system in the future thank you so much. thank you. now we have much more ahead on tonight's show we'll continue our look at statements from the brits summit yesterday i'll see what types of reforms these countries are asking and i.m.f. and the world bank days before the two organizations are said to me. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right now. i think. we're never going to show you the keeping safe get ready because freedom. h.r. been here broadcasting live from washington d.c. coming up today on the big picture. new web site with twenty four seven live streaming news tells us what to do about the ongoing financial heart unli

well if you look at yugoslavia after the bombings were done in cost of all nato itself it needed. they killed more albanians the serbs that they were there. are indiscriminate in who they killed in fact i also want to point out that the head of the trend this spokesperson for the transitional council apologized when their people were killed by nato this shows that they're not really an independent party there to their toeing the line from brussels and washington so . there's russia there's russian and ukrainian nurses testifying that hospitals are being bombed and civilians are being hurt so this is not a humanitarian effort it's a smokescreen this is this is aggression this is a war of aggression against libya you know and there's a big on some question to the side to this alluded to just now who actually the rebels are and how they led forces any closer to knowing who they're actually dealing with another at the cia they're trying to get some information taking it back to washington where these people will be able to form a government to think anyway at the end of the day it cou

invaded panama nine hundred eighty nine or saddam hussein for iraq or later milosevic and yugoslavia those campaigns are did are designed to prevent public opinion from having a full debate in the united states if with demonisation with the criminalization with the marginalization of the leaders of the targeted countries it makes it impossible for there to be a debate over the policy if you were to say for instance that the united states should invade or drop bombs on libya or should have invaded iraq then you were somehow an apologist with the demon and this is a well worn tactic by the united states it doesn't mean that you the government is this or that it just means that the united states government has determined that that government must fall and we saw last week barack obama sarkozy david cameron they all said you can't imagine a future of libya with gadhafi well who are they to determine what the future of libya is shouldn't it be up to the libyan people but that the process of demonisation is the deal it generalized the government so bad the people in this country or britain

military top brass during the conflict in the former yugoslavia in the ninety's they were in charge of raids on the stove you saw tens of thousands flee hundreds killed the convictions have sparked protests and croatia. the two men are seen as national heroes a third it general who was also starting trial acquitted in the hague tribunal is often accused of being biased against the majority of cases it hears against. iran's government has ordered the operator of the fukushima nuclear plant to pay some twelve thousand dollars to each household forced to evacuate due to radiation leaks it's estimated the conversation could be up to about twenty five billion however the country's leadership has come in for its own criticism from those still living in shelters one month on from the quake they say help came too little too late meanwhile intensive searches for tsunami victims are finally underway near the nuclear plant after being delayed by the fears of radiation. and italian activists sgrena found dead in gaza city hours after being abducted. on the list was seized on thursday by islamist r

operations in the balkans, oss operations to help organize and supply the resistance, particularly in yugoslavia and greece. in asia you had a less as operations against the japanese in burma and china. interestingly douglas macarthur and admiral chester nimitz would not have anything to do with donovan. they prohibit his men from working in the pacific theaters. it did not see much use for the oss. for the normandy landing donovan had a huge intelligence operation providing a lot of good intelligence on german defenses, a lot of intelligence for the air force for bombing targets, and they infiltrated by air, parachuted in, number of commandos, operational group commandos and shepherds. that helped organize the french resistance. donovan also had a penchant for going in on landings. he went in on the italian landings and the sicilian landings. he also went in on the normandy landing. george marshall, the army chief of staff, but he had on the been banned from going into normandy landing because, and for very good reason, even his own man of that being that close to combat was not the place with

he and yugoslavia, these were socialist who were specifically place themselves out of the ambit of the soviet union and were charting supposedly an independent socialist course away from the international socialism with the soviet union and supposedly the great evangelist. >> guest: i'm not sure how legitimate that was honestly. i'm sure a lot of soviet weapons in the military but we inflicted this cambridge socialism. it is rarely has rarely been an authoritarian place. it was a third day in for a little while there. >> host: you describe it as cambridge socialism or faganism is a term that is largely used. is. how would you define paganism? >> guest: is very democratic, very liberal. it is conscientiously antiauthoritarian. they try to devolve power as much as they can. they allow for certain level of entrepreneurship. that i want to ask the expert pre-everyone's property. they see the government as being of principle entrepreneur. somewhere between keynesianism on steroids and marxism like. is kind of in that middle ground there. but it is not, you know it is not like something that

he was not only a leader of the nonaligned bloc of countries, he and yugoslavia, these were socialists who were specifically placed themselves out of the input of the soviet union, and they were charging supposedly the independent socialist course away from the international soviet union was supposedly the great evangelist of. >> guest: i am not sure. i'm sure a lot of soviet weapons in the military for that to be the truth. but the sort of cambridge socialism on the country and they've never been -- well, there's rarely been an author terrie in place. >> host: so you describe it as can bridge socialism in the term that is largely used. how would you define were described sabian as an? >> guest: very space, very liberal. it is conscientiously and i authoritarian. they try to develop as much as they can. they allow a certain level of the entrepreneur should in the country. they don't want to go to everyone's property. they see the government is the principal of to panora. you know, somewhere between -- somewhere between keynesian on steroids. it's kind of in that middle ground. but it's

he and yugoslavia were socialists who were specifically placed themselves out of the end of the soviet union and were turned the independent socialist course away from the international socialism at the soviet union was supposedly the great evangelist stuff. >> guest: i'm not sure how legitimate that was. a lot of soviet weapons in the military. this would of cambridge brand of socialism in the country, and there's rarely been the authoritarian. host could you describe it as cambridge socialism and the term that is largely used. how would you define or describe? >> guest: it's very space and liberal. it is conscientiously and i authoritarian. they try to develop power as much as they can and allow a certain level of the entrepreneur should in the economy. they don't want to appropriate once property. they see the government is the principal and entrepreneur. somewhere between -- somewhere between keynesian is a monster rally and marxism. it's kind of in that middle ground. but it's not, you know, it's not like what they had in the soviet union or in the china. it's not communism and is

the first was in yugoslavia which was regarded as whatever kind it had nothing to do with but it was actually a precursor to the massive destabilization, the united states with moderate force on hundred 50,000 men for 320 million country, person countries and a massive commitment. when it probably made the situation was ideal than it would have been otherwise. nevertheless, the question is what is the lasting effect on this? you could see the number of ways to read al qaeda's goal was to trigger a series of risings that create jihadist states, a complete failure. the american goal to understand correctly is to create a series of pro-american regimes, preferably with the government's like wisconsin governing in this region, that didn't happen. what is remarkable to me about the region is how changed it is. >> host: that is where we are going to see is this really just the very, very long in the game of the waning of the clients of the soviet versus the u.s. era and we don't have the sense of yet what is going to replace that certainly across the broad least. are we seeing some of the

i remember pushing, jamming and broadcasting in yugoslavia before the election. milosevic became na close by being defeated, had it gone through we could have affected the outcome. we could have jammed the broadcasting of taliban radio in afghanistan all of those year. we could have done our own broadcasting in with radio-free afghanistan. that legislation passed after masood was killed. there's a lack of understanding here in terms of cost effective ways to do diplomacy or to change governments, and there is a tendency to forget how to collect the check after we've left. if we don't get that set up front, it's not going to happen. and that's why, you know, could assets be used to repay the u.s. treasury for war costs? i guess that's the question. could they. >> i think -- let's plea answer two parts of your question first, because you did raise the jamming issue and i -- it seemed like we were avoiding that. what i can say in this session that is we are doing -- >> you're doing it now four weeks later. by the way, the former government started the bombing, start

yugoslavia and somalia, we weren't going to be doing that sort of thing anymore. republicans said, fine, yes, good. and then when he decided not simply to knock out the taliban government and try and kill the leadership of al-qaeda but decided the -- decided to stay and turn afghanistan into kansas, people continued to say, okay. and there wasn't a conversation that, wait a minute, we went from kinder, gentler to jumping on top of another country and occupying a rather large country with a history of not being appreciative of being occupied and getting involved in all sorts of tribal matters that perhaps we didn't understand as well as we might. and yet because it was a republican president a lot of republicans said, okay, and let it slide. and you didn't have a conversation. then you also had something that seemed to me sort of the flipside of vietnam where republicans, center-right people remembered the left being very harsh in their criticism of american troops during vietnam, and all of a sudden support the troops became the phrase that was used when it was, w

i remember pushing, jamming and broadcasting in yugoslavia before the election. milosevic became na close by being defeated, had it gone through we could have affected the outcome. we could have jammed the broadcasting of taliban radio in afghanistan all of those year. we could have done ourwn broadcasting in with radio-free afghanistan. that legislation passed after masood was killed. there's a lack of understanding here in terms of cost fective ways to do diplomacy or to change vernments, and there is a tendency to forget how to collect the check afte we've left. if we don't get that set up front, it's not going to happen. and that's why, you know, could assets be used to repay the u.s. treasury for war costs? i guess that's the question. could they. >> i think -- let's plea answer two parts of your question first, because you did raise the jamming issue and i -- it seemed like we were avoiding that. what i can say in this session that is we are doing -- >> you're doing it now four weeks later. by the way, the former government started the bombing, started the

the complex is known to have bunkers and tunnels under it, built by engineers from the former yugoslavia many years ago. the official libyan version was that a water storage facility was hit and three civilians were killed. the gadhafi regime is also noticeably concerned about the news that armed predator drones are to be introduced into the conflict. their greater accuracy and ability to hit specific targets will make gadhafi's heavy weaponry vulnerable, even in urban areas. the same might be said of pitting tribe against tribe. although the tactic is a clever, if cynical one, with the removal of regular forces on the battlefield, and civilians going in there, nato air strikes will have an even harder time targeting who they want to hit and who they want to help. even with the precision predator drones. russ? >> allen pizzey in libya. thank you very much. >>> more than two weeks ago in libya, james foley was arrested along with two other journalists, including american claire gillis. his family has still not heard from him and is desperate for answers. joining us from boston are john's

operations in the balkans, oss operations to help organize and supply the resistance, particularly in yugoslaviand greece. in asia you had a oss operation did against the japanese in burma and china where. interestingly douglas macarthur and admiral chester nimitz would not have anything to do with jonathan. they prohibited his men from working in the pacific theater. for the normandy landing donovan had a huge intelligence operation providing a lot of good intelligence on german defenses, a lot of the intelligence for bombing targets and they infiltrated by air, parachuted in a number of commandos, oh jeez, operational group commandoes and jeopardize. they helped organize the french resistance in advance and during the normandy landing. donovan also had a penchant for going in on landings. he went in on the italian landings and the sicilian landings. he also went in on the normandy landing. george marshall, the army chief of staff thought he had donovan banned from going into normandy because and for very good reason, even donovan's on men thought that being that close to the combat was not the

it does work as we saw in the case of the former yugoslavia. it did drive him out rather quickly. if we can degrade the support for gaddafi and his military, i think that has a better chance of succeeding and is a clearer long-term path than a military invasion. the question i have is about the authority in doing this. there is considerable consternation about that among the fellow members of congress. what is the legal, constitutional authority for the president and military to have acted without prior congressional authorization? i think there is a lot of misunderstanding about the history of that within congress and the media. this is not unprecedented. there has been a bipartisan feeling among democrat and republican presidents that article 2 gives them the authority to act militarily. there are examples going back decades if not over 100 years. we also have the war powers act out there. it has been the position of every executive that it is an unconstitutional infringement upon their article 2 rights and they do not feel they have to follow it. you could walk through your vie

it's a fairly consistent position and certainly it does sometimes work as we saw in the case of yugoslavia. it did drive him out rather quickly. if we can degrade the support for gadhafi, degrade his military and the, that has a better chance of succeeding in a clearer long-term path than any sort of military invasion. the question i want to ask is the authority for doing this. i think there's considerable consternation about that amongst my fellow members of congress. what is the legal constitutional authority for the president and the military to have acted without prior congressional authorization? i think there was a lot of misunderstanding about the history of that within congress and within the media for that matter. this is not unprecedented. there has been a bipartisan feeling amongst both democrat and republican presidents that article 2 gives them the authority to act militarily. it happened in kosovo as i referenced but also in panama and granada. we have the war powers act out there. as i understand it, it's been the position of every executive that is an unconstitutional infri

operations in the balkans, oss operations to help organize and supply the resistance, particularly in yugoslavia and greece. in asia you had a oss operation did against the japanese in burma and china where. interestingly douglas macarthur and admiral chester nimitz would not have anything to do with jonathan. they prohibited his men from working in the pacific theater. for the normandy landing donovan had a huge intelligence operation providing a lot of good intelligence on german defenses, a lot of the intelligence for bombing targets and they infiltrated by air, parachuted in a number of commandos, oh jeez, operational group commandoes and jeopardize. they helped organize the french resistance in advance and during the normandy landing. donovan also had a penchant for going in on landings. he went in on the italian landings and the sicilian landings. he also went in on the normandy landing. george marshall, the army chief of staff thought he had donovan banned from going into normandy because and for very good reason, even donovan's on men thought that being that close to the combat was not t

think it's a fairly consistent position and certainly it does sometimes work as we saw in e case of yugoslavia. it did drive him out rather quickly. if we can degrade the support for gadhafi, degrade his military and the, that has a better chance of succeeding in a clearer long-term path than any sort of military invasion. the questi i want to ask is the thority for doing this. i think there's considerable consternation about that amongst my fellow members of congress. what is the legal constitutional authority for the president and the military to have acted without prior congressional authorization? i think there was a lot of misunderstanding about the history of that within congress and within the media for that matter. this is not unprecedented. there has been a bipartisan feeling amongst both democrat and republican presidents that article 2 gives them the authority to act militarily. it happened in kosovo as i referenced but also in panama and granada. we have the war powers act out there. as i understand it, it's been the position of every executive that is an unconstitutional infringem

the soviet union collapsed, the dividing line in the islamic world shattered into the region from yugoslavia to the hindu kush was thrown off balance and city. this is one hour and 25 minutes. >> thank you for joining us for what i hope will be a fun our. you know, i had intended this to be a love fest because you are a great hero of mine. but then paul said that i have to ask tough questions, so i want to make it clear whenever i see something that is supportive and warm that's me and whenever i say something that is critical that is me just channelling paul. [laughter] so, to get that of the way. i wanted to start by -- you are in a very unusual position. you're going to have this big conference in washington this coming weekend were there will be 10,000 people. you have this enormous falling and you are a kind of figure and i was trying to figure out is there any recent historical figure that you think you are analogous to? [laughter] people for what the restaurants of modesty. just like you. >> to be clear the 10,000 people are coming together because they want to -- i mean because they