i mean we mentioned our friend in london mentioned yugoslavia. the way we read the history is if you sacrifice democracy for the sake of safety and stability, it clearly shows that it lasts only a little while and it blows up. so when we look at rwanda, we worry that the strong arm of paul cocagamy is causes problems in the congo. he has a spot with one of the strongest countries. he was suspected of killing disidents here that this kind of price -- unquibly he has made progress and brought stability. but history shows the price is too high and it can collapse. it has done so in yugoslavia picture. >> peter fom? how about that? when the west looks at the great lakes region in east africa, does it see a friend in paul cogamy who is a reliable friend and good for his country? >> i think we have to put rwanda and the greater region in context. 20 years ago, rwanda was the epitome of a failed state. there were judgments that weren't viable as a nation going forward because of population density as well as the genocide. in 20 years, we have had great

i mean we mentioned our friend in london mentioned yugoslavia. the way we read the history is if you sacrifice democracy for the sake of safety and stability, it clearly shows that it lasts only a little while and it blows up. so when we look at rwanda, we worry that the strong arm of paul cocagamy is causes problems in the congo. he has a spot with one of the strongest countries. he was suspected of killing disidents here that this kind of price -- unquibly he has made progress and brought stability. but history shows the price is too high and it can collapse. it has done so in yugoslavia picture. >> peter fom? how about that? when the west looks at the great lakes region in east africa, does it see a friend in paul cogamy who is a reliable friend and good for his country? >> i think we have to put rwanda and the greater region in context. 20 years ago, rwanda was the epitome of a failed state. there were judgments that weren't viable as a nation going forward because of population density as well as the genocide. in 20 years, we have had great

in nineteen ninety nine bombings of yugoslavia. hundreds of civilians dead and injured including children all under the auspices of a humanitarian mission headed by the united states fundamentally illegitimate i'm just an essentially a moral. in two thousand and three the devastating invasion of iraq spearheaded by the west and its people. i like britain. keely years of insurgency and a skyrocketing number of deaths through terror attacks. in two thousand eleven to lead the campaign that turned a no fly zone operation into full scale military support for the rebel forces you look at the ozone layer is still far from its professed role of providing security to its member states. just as nothing to do with that all that was basically an aggressive action against another country the alliance's stated objective. this collective defense. every country in the attack on one with which i'll be honest when not in congress where they are all attached to one another before the falls we all fall well that's the deal and people are in reality n

>> yeah, from the former yugoslavia. >> and left yugoslavia at what age? >> 14.hen i say i've never driven a car. i never had a coca-cola until i was, like, 17. it just wasn't in a small little village where there's two cars. the first food memory i have is also from there. and it was my father. and the day before we had been into the mountain picking chestnuts. and i remember it so vividly as a little child and i woke up and i saw my father. he was roasting chestnuts. and then i start hearing all these things popping. 20 minutes later, they were in a bowl and my aunt poured milk that she had just taken from the cow and we had that for breakfast. it was so natural that we went to the mountain for the chestnuts, you grew your food yourself. these sort of experiences growing up, they really shaped the type of cook i am today. it and we're just not sure. (agent) i understand. (dad) we've never sold a house before. (agent) i'll walk you guys through every step. (dad) so if we sell, do you think we can swing it? (agent) i have the numbers right here and based on the c

assignment to a war zone was in yugoslavia in 1992. she went to other trouble spots including the middle east, afghanistan and pakistan. afraid, she was often are probably less so than someone that was not familiar with the situation on the ground. she was known as a war photographer, but never like the title. she said her mission was to show the human side of war. her camera allowed her to get close to people, but created distance. she was murdered last week when she was shot by a police man with an automatic weapon. cover the her way to election in afghanistan. >> a judge in pakistan has thrown out charges of attempted murder against a nine-month-old baby. police admit it was a mistake to arrest the intent. he was charged with adult relatives of attempting to murder a policeman. police registered a case against the whole family. the baby's grandfather and uncle still face the charges. the u.s. government says its intelligence services have never to get atheartbleed data after a report by bloomberg claims the nsa had known about the s

the nine hundred ninety nine bombings of yugoslavia hundreds of civilians dead and injured including children all under the auspices of a humanitarian mission headed by the united states fundamentally illegitimate unjust and essentially immoral. in two thousand and three the devastating invasion of iraq spearheaded by the u.s. and its faithful ally britain q.e. years of insurgency and describe rocketing number of deaths through terror attacks . in two thousand and eleven the libyan campaign that turned a no fly zone operation into full scale military support for the rebel forces if you look at nato this role there it is so far from its professed role of providing security to its members they are just as nothing it is nothing to do with that at all there was basically an aggressive action against another country the alliances stated objective is collective defense. every country agrees with. the others like mountain climbers where they're all attached to one another in the form falls they all fall well that's the do you want people or in reality not a single member has ever been attac

her first assignment to a combat zone was in yugoslavia in 1992. then she went on to the world's other troubled spots, the middle east, libya, iraq, afghanistan, and pakistan. she was injured a number of times. she said that she was often afraid, but probably less so than someone who is not familiar the what was happening on ground. she never liked the label of war photographer. she was more interested in the impact of war on people. niedringhaus was murdered last week in afghanistan's khost province. another ap reporter was wounded in the attack. 50,000 children under the age of five could die of starvation in south sudan unless immediate action is taken. the u.s. children's agency needs tens of millions of dollars to treat masses of malnutrition -- masses of malnourished children. myanmar's opposition leader was in berlin to accept a human rights award. oh human latest of rights award she has been able to collect after being allowed after 2012. she wants that myanmar is still not a democracy after a spate of reforms. firsthand howd germany is tur

the breakdown of yugoslavia two decades ago.hey point out the obvious thing that this is the largest country between the eu and russia. let's go to the catholic data. lacroix is leading with a title about ukraine escalation. is it a way of moscow being able to set the conditions for diplomatic talks that we will see on thursday in geneva? it says that the people of ukraine counted on europe. they mean the european union. and, of course, they must not disappoint the people of ukraine. >> you looked at the ukrainian press and the russian press. >> the kiev post has an opinion page. they're looking at the guardian in the u.k. this is by james meek. the headline is that most ukrainians are neither loyal russians or loyal fascists. most of the discussion is polarized and that is serving putin well. it is bolstering has ideal . a the one hand, you have ukraine that is a boil vessel to russia or a ukraine that is fascist. the communistta, mouthpiece of years ago. an expression there about fascism. antifascist fighters take the initiati

the threat from the warsaw pact no longer existed but we've seen how on repeated occasions over yugoslavia over afghanistan most recently over libya the alliance has always sought ways of justifying itself and i think that this institutional self-justification of nato and secondarily of the european union has become one of the major points of tension now in east west relations ok and there was a lot said there james would in washington would you reflect upon what john just said in paris. well yeah i mean i think nato has missions pretty clear it's defined in the charter and it's been changed since it was proposed we have to remember that there is so so no such thing as a nato force i mean the nato forces are simply the composite of all the member states so these states have sovereign forces which they use to protect them they use they they choose to join together to cooperate together that i don't think there's anything untoward about that i think it. is anything that suggests that nato exists just for the sake of existing it's a common bond between free nations and that hasn't really chan

in 1991, after croatia declared independence from yugoslavia, the yugoslav army shelled the city, damaging about 2/3 of its buildings. brighter, newer tiles mark the houses that were hit and roofs that had to be replaced. these roofs were rebuilt using the same materials as the original ones. when the war engulfed this beloved city, the world paid attention. today, as the new tiles are fading, so are the scars of that war. we're staying at a small guesthouse at the top of town. throughout croatia, sobe -- that's rooms for rent in private homes -- are a much better value than big hotels. ours is run by pero. pero, tell me about the war here in dubrovnik. pero: well, it was a very difficult time. dubrovnik was under siege for eight months. so, no water, no electricity, no food, medicine. and all the refugees from all those smaller places around, they came to dubrovnik, hoping they would not dare to do such things to dubrovnik, right? steves: what happened to this house? pero: well, this house was hit by two grenades from mortars, right? so, this is what i found on top of my house. two of tho

it inin yugoslavia found the 1950's. they think it came from richard lionheart. in germany. >> 1066. they think the cross ended up in yugoslavia or germany. >> i am not sure the viewers thought they would get it either. contract theyou passage of wealth and power over time. changing fortunes of people. >> dairy well put. like thank you very much. thank you very much. lex coming up, a stall season is upon us. means it is time for the second pass time last second favorite pastime, the billboard or postal. ♪ good morning, everyone. headlines.the top >> secretary-general of nato tells russia it would be a historic mistake if there were two in it -- if they were to intervene further. presence is fueling concern that russia may invade to contact russian speaking inhabitants in the south there's just southern ukraine. vacation homes are surging again. more than 700,002nd-home sales last year. year over year with the largest gain since the national association of realtors in 2003.racking back more than 40% purchased were in the south. 28% in the west. this is curious. th

standards when judging russia's actions it contends that the us ism i know too much light they did in yugoslavia iraq in afghanistan and libya. it's unacceptable for russia to protect its interests with me today is the backdrop of the eu and un sanctions russia will seek an even closer friendship with china awful economic player but as far as manage the blokes are concerned which he said their time has come and gone. makes your chest he thought the area. among those lost in the present questions of whether a familiar face american fugitive whistleblower in full and free stuff but it's nothing to a mason issues to take the clothes for him. the us anyway the mutations of millions. it was awesome joke about being a simpler and all the intelligence services while the president said that no such thing can be done without hope of achieving a reduction of the state that the special services to use mobile communication methods of oak on the counter terrorism but there are no mass surveillance programs in place of availability went on to say that the russian special services there under the state's stric

more jobs but of course it wouldn't make anyone safer no more than the attack on yugoslavia or the attack on libya has made anyone safer i have to repeat it's a very important point the role of the alliance has changed radically since at least one thousand nine hundred nine and is no good obfuscating the fact just because you don't might not like these out of area operations they have now become on paper and in practice the primary function of nato and we see this in the ukraine. affair where nato leaders and the secretary general have been making noises as if you crane were a member state threatened by a russian invasion frankly it's none of natives business games it's a good point what is why is nato getting involved in this in the affairs of ukraine it's not a member. first of all i would say i think the future of outer area operations for nato is dead i think that was a phase they went through and i think they don't have the resources to do it they don't they don't do it very well and i actually think that that's a thing of the past and nato go will go back to its i predict it will go

in yugoslavia. and russians like so many over ifre in the middle east, through, the near east and eastern europe, are long memoried. and when they see something like that happening in yugoslavia they take that to heart and i mr. putin has done exactly that. and i believe it makes a link between the olympics and the shortly there after invasion. but i don't think mr. putin mass designs on taking over the it toane and returning .epublic status though i do believe that that in muldova could happen and i think we'll see something like that happen year. >> the caller brought up the inervention in the ball cans the 1990's, and interestingly when you look at public opinion after the involvement took place, strongly in favor of the involvement. level oft seen that presidential outspokenness on the issue and that's one thing when you look at public opinion, how active a president is in for a greater american role. that's going to be a big indicator. >> the political editor at national journal. with us today.

look at what they did to yugoslavia. they carved up into such small pieces. they mutilated it. that is what i think some people want to do with us. but if you look at what happened at what isook happening, you answer your question yourself about who is doing that. [applause] >> there are millions of russians in ukraine. crimea, theynts in became piraeus, judging by what the chief government is doing and they even called on killing these guys, russians in ukraine and shooting them with firearms so there have been lots of statements like that. and there are a lot of questions about the future of the russians living in ukraine. sergei is now welcome to ask his question. after the bloodshed in february, land,led ukraine a damned and after he talked to the ukraine colleagues, he said he's not going to public his books at ukraine anymore and he would like his books to be translated into russia. so what is your question? >> mr. putin, for 23 years, ukraine has been opposing russia. that's what actually sort of the strategy. they even had a slogan that says ukraine is not russia. and t

that the soviet union collapsed; that communism ended without the massive bloodshed that we saw in yugoslaviad what is sad now is that may be now coming to pass. >> is the vice president's visit symbolic? >> yes. i think it's terrific he is there. i think, however, we all need to appreciate that symbols may not be enough. [ inaudible ] had shown that he is absolutely willing to ignore international law -- really, longly established international law, it's not a new rule that you don't invade countries, and also crucially, that he is willing to float the 1994 budapest memorandum in which ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons. and if ukraine having unilaterally given up his nuclear weapons, if it then finds itself gobbled up by itself neighbor, i think the whole non-proliferation movement is tremendously weakened. >> barnaby talked about weaning -- possibly weaning ukraine off of the natural gas that comes from russia, but is that a realistic possible? >> oh, absolutely. you know, i think actually absent the russian aggression, which we are seeing. ukraine today with its new provisional governmen

we saw that happen in the former yugoslavia. that was not a good road to go down. when you talk about engaging the regime on hue main tearian assistance, i think what we really want is the regime to recognize it has an obligation under the convention to allow that to go through. there are very good lawyers, met a number of at the foreign min city. they can read them just as well as we can here. i'm not sure contact -- exactly what the conversation is going to be like. >> i spent a couple weeks on regime side in january and february, and i want to talk about your point about the need for the moderate opposition to reach out, the comiewrcht to support ones that are on the fence and assad's side of the fence they need reassurance. there's another part of the equation, and that is -- i spoke to sunnis, others who christians who reluctantly support assad as the lesser of two evils, but they did not see a moderate opposition unified, armed sufficiently to have the crbility nor do they see any kind of unified policy fruit united states, western allies or arab allies eithe

which led not so very overt divorce but to a bloody series of wars in former yugoslavia in which the west nates organ and their hands absolutely embroiled in creating that creates in that mess and i think actually the very few examples of the velvet divorce majority of cases. they are messy because actually the great powers come in and intervene time in time time and time again into that former yugoslav is a case in point but also we should also look at the situation in what former soviet union we have the great powers intervening in the caucuses and elsewhere and we see the geishas of that right to self-determination we see it in iraq where for instance the americans have played with the codes they don't want to recognize the kurdish entity in syria they do want to recognize the kurds fighting for freedom in turkey but are happy to give the codes in iraq who have the oil autonomy and therefore you've seen playing with it you know in that instance i would like to see one code to stand but that's not something any of the great powers want to see and i think we should go back to some o

many have compared syria's of the former yugoslavia. it now looks more like somalia, where a civil war has created a sanctuary for criminals and terrorists. fractured intody three barely contiguous areas in which u.s. designated terrorist organizations are now ascended. . the regime that holds sway in western syria, fighters from has followed, a shiite group backed by iran, regularly cross the border. shiaare bolstered by militia, leading some to refer to the region as iran's. underr region has come the control of al-nusra and the islamic state of iraq in the levant. ofthe north, an offshoot the pkk operates freely. statess by neighboring and world powers to contain the crisis are under stress. car bombs have rocked lebanon jordan suffers under the stress of 615,000 refugees. what is sometimes called the region's security architecture, the post-world war i boundaries, as well as the people within that architecture, are under st ress. this has implications for stability. to help us understand how the humanitarian crisis in syria and ar i

their weapons including sniper rifles there were some reports suggesting that they were from former yugoslavia and we were asked to look. and there were also reports suggesting that they were actually mercenaries from other countries. speaking about the very same building from which my crew was most likely fired upon at about eleven am on february twentieth one gunfire was raging in central kiev i was about to go live from our broadcast position on the sixth floor of a hotel ok you know when two minutes before the live shot somebody hit our window a sniper bullet literally hit our window it's still unclear to me who actually fired this shot but let's try to put it into graphics this is hotel room is over here on the sixth floor and this is the aforementioned conservatory building the bullet trajectory and the angle at which it hit our room clearly suggests that the bullet was fired from the rooftop over there the building on the corner of my down and according to the s.b.u. chief it was controlled by the my down self-defense force at that time but the fact that my down self-defense force had r

at the time, there was 70,000 peace keepers in former yugoslavia. and i think that the security council's priority was quite obvious to the extremists in rwanda that they could get away with this killing machine that they set in motion. >> the argument at the time, though, was that the scale of the genocide, the amount of suffering inflicted was not clear to a lot of people in government palaces and buildings buildings across the west, that the clinton administration did not fully understand what was happening within rwandan's borders? >> i think this has been disproven since. there was overwhelming intelligence before the genocide happened that it was being planned. and i think that once it began begin, there was overwhelming intelligence a large-scale slaughter of civilians was taking place. i know the u.s. had satellite imagery of what was going on, on the ground. i don't think in this case that anyone can claim ignorance. the international committee of the red cross was also on the ground and in the first week says an estimated 10,000 people a d

then there was the intervention in the former yugoslavia. >> i think that's the closest case you can get to post cold war intervention that is did seem to produce unbalanced positive political outcome, albeit there, the occupation of kosovo for example by u.s. and allied forces ended up taking a much longer time. >> so then and let me emphasize, my argument is not that there are never cases where military power has utility. there are cases. i think that the problem with policy makers in the united states over the past couple of decades is that they have tended to think that all problems can have a political solution. >> excuse me. >> a military solution. >> we went into libya and helped overthrow gaddafi. that's a disaster, still a mess there. in yemen gone in in a limited day without intervention. the question that comes to mind is is the problem intervening in countries where there are very substantial parts of the population, mostly muslim country that is really just hate the united states. >> i don't think i'd phrase it that way. i think i'd phrase it that there is a problem with

of fears that i've seen written in a lot of different places that iraq may well become the next yugoslaviaen up into bits, that the sunni shiite and kurdish to the north. this will become three different nations. >> well, we had this story about ten years ago. we were told that the -- with occupation, with american presence, with sectarian war. so this is not new to iraq, this story. however, ten years with four elections and everyone is adhering to democracy has proven that we're somewhat safe of that issue. we have challenges, and we have major challenges with regard to getting the right social harmony in the society. in relation to democracy and being the only tool and not being it. we have challenges, however, are we back to the 2007-2008, turf wars? what we have with state of flow. we have rule of flow and we have terrorism trying to get around that. >> first of all, we wish you luck at the boston marathon, and certainly, we wish your country luck in the next elections. >> i look forward to that. thank you very much. thank you. >>> next two u.s. veterans from the iraq war on the alarm

we actually saw that happen in the former yugoslavia. that is not a good road to go down. so when you talk about engaging the regime on humanitarian assistance, i think what we really want is the regime to recognize that it has an obligation under the geneva conventions to allow that to go through. they have very good lawyers. i met a number of them at the foreign ministry. i think they can read the geneva conventions just as well as we can here. so i'm not sure exactly what the conversation's going to be like. >> jonathan and then, i think, dan raviv with cbs? jonathan's here. >> jonathan -- [inaudible] with mcclatchy newspapers. i spent a couple of weeks on the regime side in january/february, and i want to talk, ambassador ford, about your point for the need for the moderate opposition to reach out to these communities that support the sort of ones that are on the kind of the fence, but on the assad side of the of the fence,t they need reassurance. there's another part of that equation, and that is these -- and i spoke to sunnis,al whites, others, christians --al to whi

. >> my dad grew up in yugoslavia. my mother is british. spent a lot of time over there. >> yugoslavia. >> and it's funny how much it mystifies brits and my friends about how much you hear, wow, europe has such great laws with regards to speech. we would never tolerate their national security laws. those by themselves are crazy. the recent -- >> but why -- canada is not a police state. but what is the harm that's taking place in -- there is a concrete harm that's taking place. >> well, people say there's a whole lot of chilling going on over there. for example, it's getting mighty hard to criticize something of the islamic faith, for example. there are reasons both legal and extra legal for that, but people say there's a lot of chilling effect, new laws about blasphemy. i happen to have in my pocket, by mere coincidence, belgium the other day, i came determined to read this, because it's so interesting. belgium passed a law just the other day against -- advocating sexism for purposes of this act, the concept of sexism will be understood to