and yuko weldon, why do you have all these issues and you argue? he refused to make that statement. he came into that meeting with a defiant posture, journalist, all journalists are basically attacking my government, undermining these interests, the interests of the state. and include "the new york times" and cnn. there's nobody that he had any praise for. he had nothing positive to say about journalists on press freedom and those with a shot across the bow. that was really him saying i can achieve the interests that i want to achieve. i can achieve my political goals without any support from the media. because i have alternative ways of communicating. i have alternative ways of litigating domestically and internationally. so it's precise because the power dynamic has shifted that journalists face greater threat both from government and nonstate actors. >> and that's not confined to turkey. >> not at all. it's the same dynamic. the obama administration and the bush administration was very open about its ability to bypass the media and get its message is that the consequences are not