this holiday is the independence day of ukraine and our today the interlocutor is the writer yurii andruhovich p . yurii. congratulations, e.e. good day. in fact, we start with a question to everyone equally, what is independence for you personally? let's say we guessed. and ukrainians were surveyed what is the greatest value for them. when they talk about ukraine and uh, there were very different answers, but more than 80% of ukrainians in the east and the west said that independence is an indisputable value to them. ukraine and showed its own invasion, the war showed that these were not empty words, indeed, ukrainians were ready, as it turned out, to shed blood for this independence, although it is certain that different people put a different understanding into it, i meet i meet, for example, with the thoughts of volodymyr dubrovsky of the zneseli group recently wrote about the fact that if ukraine becomes nationalist, it will not be the ukraine that he would like, or, for example, a conversation with andriy sudomoru and one of the brilliant linguists , translators and writers of ukraine sa

yuriy andruhovich was very much there for this conversation with us. and actually, we also wish everyone a good day independence day of ukraine, which is approaching, is not very cheerful. i congratulated you on independence day. well, there is still a little more time. well, you know that, the price that is paid for this independence is so high that today this holiday takes on a very sacred or sacred meaning . content, that is, there is no such reason for stupid stupid laughter, then and now more more something so very important something so that sometimes it takes your breath away so when you see that right now there are a lot of ukrainians who may not have fully understood what the price is and what this day means that this is not just a day for holding some concerts and parades and that this is a special day that is worth holding on to that is worth that is worth appreciating and a lot of ukrainians understand this one because this independence is for them and they also felt that they they are fighting for it, uh, well, we are continuing our marath

yaroslav, but with regard to this court of the show trial against the defenders of azov, yuriy andruhovichoints out that it is given very aptly, he pointed out the parallels with stalin's show trials by processes, what is being prepared, how is it treated, in fact, it’s not even stalin’s trials, because stalin’s trials were shown, at least it was based on a legitimate legal basis, on which legitimate basis is anything happening at all that claims to be called a judicial process in a territory that is not legal subject of international law is not clear if it is a trial that will begin in mariupol a.a. what is the overall effective control exercised by the russian federation, that is, the territory occupied by the russian federation, this is simply a psychological , informational and psychological operation of some kind, in a nutshell, it is a purely propaganda informational psychological operation that does not make any legal sense either from the point of view of international law, or even from the point of view of law of the national federation of the russian federation thank you, mr. vya