and she said "yusef", i said "who's yusef?"yusef is this kid that we collected money for to get him here from syria. he arrived here homeless, without speaking much english, without connections, and michael locke got together one of the organisations, in which natalie actually was working, and after five years of working with him, of putting his life back on track, now he is studying medicine. so he is a syrian refugee who has made a successful life in the uk, in a new country? yes, and also it shows how much knowledge we can acquire in our countries, when we let immigrants be part of our world. and this ties in with other work you have done, with this immigrant movement, international, that you have worked with for a long time. you have done some extraordinary installations, one of which here in london involved people having to take a lie detector test to enter your exhibition, and the test is based on the immigration test that people face when they come into the uk. yes. all of this seems to be a message that you are deliveri

so joining me now, two of the central park five, yusef salaam and raymond santana.tlemen, good evening. >> good evening. >> have things been different the way that, you know, donald trump said in that ad, you might not be sitting here in front of me. you'd be behind bars. youssef, innocent until proven guilty when it was you? did he feel that way? >> you know, the worst part about not only our case but our case is a glaring example that if you have skin darker in hue, you're automatically seen as guilty. and this is something that has to be clearly understood. there's definitely two americas that we live in, you know, similar to the report that was written 50 years ago. here we are coming full circle, and we're trying to really grasp at straws of justice. and every time we grasp at it, things like this happen. we clearly see that we are divided. there's no avenue for us to be able to be equal, and therefore we are always looked at as being guilty. >> you think he saw you specifically as being guilty? obviously he wouldn't have put that ad? >> absolutely. absolutely.