zach dorfman who is a senior fellow at the carne ee council fics in international affairs. >> sreenivasan: tell us, how is this espionage, this spying g happen silicon valley? >> according to conversations i had with multiple former u.s. intelligenci community ofs, the espionage seen in silicon valley and san francisco is a little bit diffhaerent what you generally associate it with, in terms of washington and new york, in parcular, in fact, in san francisco, it tends to be a little bit more informal or casual, probably fitting, given silicon centrcually's ure and what you see is more theft of technologies, both wit military and certain civilian applications in major tech firms, as well as startups. and part of this has to do with the larger story of economic competitiveness between especially the united states and chin: >> sreenivas is this about turning individual employees in a company or is this aboutto pretendine investors? >> it is actually both. veso what you have is you intelligence officers who go to silicon valley or are based in silicon valley who speak to other people in ventu