we have post-9/11, with regard to zacharia zacarias moussaoui, he was convicted to life in prison after the jury considered a death sentence, and jose padilla, who was tried in the civilian court and convicted, and he's now serving a very long sentence. and we need to remember that initially, the idea of the military conditions was there was an urgency on the battlefield, because evidence would be lost and the need for swift and speedy justice. in the court system, there's no difference with regard to urgency, and neither is on a battlefield. we have the stage problem to make it look like we're at war when we're not. >> bruce, let me jump in there and turn that to colonel davis. idea of urgency, that very much was part of the conversation when these men were taken into custody, and now so many years have elapsed and is that any longer part of the equation and does that take out some of the impetus for having the trials down there? >> it does. you have to look back at the framework for these military commissions, they go back to the trial in world war ii, captured by the end of june of 1