of the bestselling authors that we would immediately trip out of our would be adichie, would be zadie smithe. they say bernardine evaristo, who appeared on this programme not very long ago. these are major talents. i think talent is what is will out well well and it's great that you feel so optimistic, so positive. bernardine evaristo says this. she says the publishing industry, which is central to this whole debate, is still run by predominantly white, middle class demographics, same as years ago, with the perceived target reader being a middle aged, middle class and often white woman who apparently does not have the imagination often times to want to engage with writings by people of colour, she says. this is the assumption made, but she says "it's plainly not true". so you're very confident that that assumption within publishing no longer? within publishing no longer dominates? no, i'm not remotely confident that that doesn't dominate within publishing. i don't run a publishing business that is investing in romance, fiction and the like. but there's a great deal because you're rather imp