you here in zambia or mozambique would add kind of socialistic economies but also in argentina where it was more based it was what they call import substitution so basically everything that the country needed, they may. and so these kinds of economies generated, that kept out foreign goods so there wasn't that much on the shelf, wasn't that much choice but everyone was working, producing these goods. so there's a trade off there that i was trying to get you, and how that relates to the second quote about -- what was the second quote? >> you don't want to much -- >> right. is chile's economy after 1990 had one real guiding principle in mind, productivity. every dollar you spend, every -- the entire economy was geared towards producing something. you know, as spending money on investing money in productive workers. production, it sounds sort of unsexy in 2009. you know, it's not speculation. it's not gambling on your housing price is going to double over five years. every day making something, you know, making something that requires skills, skilled labor and selling it. so this is the