." >> zamir: what is the perception of mr. putin these days?my perception? >> zamir: his personal -- >> anthony: do you really want to hear it? >> zamir: i'm not sure, but let's see. >> anthony: a former mid-level manager in a large corporation. short. i think that's very important. short. [ clearing throat ] who has found himself master of the universe. and like a lot of short people, if you piss them off, bad things happen to you. he likes to take his shirt off a lot. >> zamir: let's be serious, i mean -- >> anthony: he strikes me as a business man. >> zamir: he is. >> anthony: a business man with an ego. okay, so he's like donald trump, but shorter. >> andy: increasingly the show became about the world around him and the frame outside of where he was standing. and i think he really understood the real power in his position was getting the cameras to the place in the first place so that he could turn them around. so that he could put the people who otherwise would never be on camera, on camera. so he could put the cultures and the traditions