he was discovered by frank zappa. but there was a period in time between 1968 and 1978, maybe the early '80s, where he was probably the most cutting edge avant-garde music, not for everybody's taste but i liked it. it brought out those creative juices. >> you're the same age of president obama, a year older than him. you both come in on this likeable ticket. you both come in on a change ticket, i want america to be better. a lot of similarities people have drawn between you both as men, as human beings. what barack obama has discovered is that the reality of being president is that it's pretty brutal and washington is a brutal place. and you're going to get chewed up, spat out, your hair is going to turn gray, which in your case isn't too big a problem because you're halfway there already. it's fine. but it's a draining, relentless, pretty unpleasant job to have. are you, jon huntsman, who is by common consent one of the nice guys in politics, are you ready for that? do you want to get your hands dirty in the grubbine