joined by daryl grisgraber, senior advocate for the middle east at refugees international, and juan zaratermer deputy national security adviser for combating terrorism. we'll start with you. how does a refugee get from some of those scenes that we've seen in this program and so many others to a country like the u.s. >> well, it's a fairly complicated process with quite a lot of steps. when a person first for example from syrian for example flea syria, you get an interview, get a lot of biographical information, history that sort of thing and try to decide if that person's eligible for resettlement and if that's the appropriate tool for that person. not everybody gets resettled. it's quite a small number. from there the u.n. will make referrals to various countries that accept refugees like the u.s. and they go through another huge process of vetting those people to make sure it's okay to let them into the u.s. it takes about two years on average sometimes longer. so it's quite a slow process, yes. >> how do you do that for 10,000, a hundred thousand or whatever the final countries are for