and from my point of view, the achievement of zarathushtra is to demonstrate that this original dream of being free of traditions and inherited values can't be achieved and leads to nowhere and therefore, it gives us a motive for reconsidering what frederick nietzsche and zarathushtra sought to refute he ate. -- repudiate. >> i love everything about that exchange so much. >> thank you to all you gentlemen for your speeches. my question was specifically for doctor levin. on institutions you did mention the family and naval academy that are countercultural but what are some of the best and worst institutions for shaping these virtues that a liberal society often lacks and besides embracing our roles of where we are and growing our planet what can be done to improve these institutions especially when you mention they so slowly change over time? >> thank you for that question. i think the challenge for us is a lot of key institutions necessary for that kind of formation are in terrible shape now and they don't recognize their own purpose or part in that very important work of civic format