i was telling her earlier, one of my mentors i knew met him twice, zig zeigler. those of us who are older we know zig zeigler. everybody over age 20, shake your head at me. that's good. zig zeigler taught people like me was the necessity of overcoming stinking thinking a bad attitude. oftentimes what they used to say is that success is 90% attitude. so make sure that you surround yourself with people who will encourage a positive attitude because stingking thinking will bring you down and reduce the level of your expectation. a low level of expectation leads to a low level of performance. another question by victory. is victory here? will you stand up, victory and let everybody know who you are? [ applause ] >> these questions are real questions, which are -- sometimes you have to take a step back when someone asks a good question. all questions have been good. this one is particularly good as well. victory's question was how do you focus in spite of your fears. i've got to tell you, i mean this sincerely, how do you focus in spite of your fears. i will tell you

jack o'callahan is also the senior managing director at zeigler capital.e been on the show a few times. welcome back. i see you laughing. i guess it never gets old to see it. >> yeah, well, you have seen myself at 22 jumping on the top of a table with a japanese beer in my hand makes me feel good. >> do you believe it's been 35 years? >> it's incredible. you know, time just flies by. it's going to be a fun week out in make placid. >> hard to believe really when you think about it. 35 years that all living members have never been together in one place. what's that going to be like? >> yeah. i think when herb where i passed away, we were all at his funeral. just not all at the same time. it's going to be tough. we're really going to miss bobby this weekend. i know that. that's going to be hard, and trying not to think about it too much, but i know once we're together, we'll really, you know, feel that loss a little bit more deeply. but that being said, you know, time marches on, and i hope we're all here to celebrate 40th year anniversary, which, you know, m