zeke emanuel is the vice provost of global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania and a member of the president-elect's covid-19 advisory board. thank you for joining us. breaking news, governor cuomo just announced that indoor dining in new york city will be stopped, stopping all indoor dining, again, starting on monday. i want to get your reaction, whether you think this is warranted, given the surge. >> well, look. we know there are certain things to stopping the surge. first, we need to limit indoor activities, because that's where the spread happens. we need to limit our crowds. we need to limit, you know, coughing near other people. and we need to wear masks. those are critical activities to stopping the spread. and we can actually get our arms around this case. if you look over in europe and france, they were able to keep schools open, parks open, people exercising, and in a month they took it from about a maximum of 80,000 cases per day down to around 10,000, in four weeks, by introducing these measures and adhering to them carefully. but the key will be these public me

zeke emanuel. he was named by president-elect joe biden to the coronavirus task force. alk if you could about the job that will be on all of your plates when president-elect biden takes over, especially since this current president seems to be driving the coronavirus numbers just into the ground. he's pushing them up and up and up. >> so there are three major challenges you have outlined one with the quotes from scott gottlieb. the increasing numbers of people infected with covid. the increasing number of deaths going scarily high to 2,000 to 3,000 and the increasing number of hospitalizations, putting big strains on the health care system. that's problem one. problem two is you have to get the vaccines out to various health care facilities and then administered to people in their shoulders by the end of january when the president biden takes over. we will probably have gotten through the health care workers and the people in long-term care facilities but then there's the rest. the next group of people. the essential workers that need to be vaccinated. teachers and groce

zeke emanuel, wrote a famous 2014 piece in the atlantic at called "why i plan to die at five."out the 75 plus population? i am concerned that this vaccine will be yet another way that the country is divided along various lines and this is the kind of last thing in my view that we need right now. tell us, from your perspective, how this vaccine should be apportioned. who should get priority and why? >> i would start with nursing home residents. you and i have talked about this a lot. you have been a hero for this, frankly, and moving the needle. and it looks like the cdc tomorrow, very important meeting on tuesday, will in fact prioritize nursing home residents, than god.ec there's another disturbing piece of news, frankly, about this, tucker. it's about the package adjusted on california. they are apparently going to -- they are going to put essential workers who are important, don't get me wrong, they are very important, head of the old and head of the sick who were not in nursing homes. now, if there's one thing we know about coronavirus, it's that the old and the sick are th

asking ari emanuel to get zeke on the phone and ask zeke what was going to happen and i have recounted this before on the show but for those who didn't hear it, zeke emanuel who worked in the obama administration said it's going to be very bad. the president -- the president needs to wake up and he needs to understand how badly things are going to go. he said, but joe, as bad as they're going to be this spring, if you look back at the pandemic of 1918, it's going to be terrible in the fall. and we have to start preparing actually for the fall right now. that's something that scott gottlieb and other health care officials have been saying for quite some time, mika. and it's something that the president just keeps ignoring. >> well, then, it was all laid out for this president for his task force for republicans in the senate, for people who worked in the administration, it was all laid out for you. literally you had to work hard to do this badly. and to look at these numbers and to know there was so much suffering out there and it was simple science and president trump and his weak, feck