and randy zelin in new york.hen we hear the teens talk about their friends, the community, you know is changed forever but the legal process has to begin. >>randy: it ripped your heart out but the reality is while it should not be a difficult decision legally just because the way the statutes work in ohio, in ohio when you hit 18 you are an adult. when you are not 18 you a child. t.j. is 17. when you are charged with aggravated murder which we call premeditated murder you kill someone with prior calculation and design, there is nothing to talk about. that crime is going to get you tried as an dolt. i suspect the recent is worried about the capacity issue, whether the kid snapped, his background, whether or not he has an insanity defense or diminished capacity. because trying him as a juvenile, no jury, he is tried by a judge and it is confidential. as an adult, the jury, the whole world will know about the trial. >>shepard: a lot of questions about his mental history and concerns about his background but the fact

and a legal panel, faith jenkins and randy zelin. is a new song that maybe grandma should hear it. >>jonathan: it is a wonderful song. >>shepard: now, if he sent out your number, for instance, but left off the last number, would people --. >>randy: my daughters would have given him the last number so he would get it right so they are such huge fans. >>faith: it is outrageous he has 19 million twitter followers. could on. outrageous. they have a claim here. anyone can see, really, really, 19 million twitter followers and out of it, if he had 19 followers i would say no, but --. >>shepard: do you follow each other? >>faith: i side with the grandmother. >>shepard: the video of her listening to the voice mail of these people call thing justin and i can later, what is wrong with these people? good grief. back in the day, what is wrong with the people. >>randy: thing of the beauty if justin bieber showed up at the house with a bouquet of roses and a couple of tickets. she had grandchild. she has grandchild. >>shepard: she said "i don't lik

a fox legal analyst and criminal defense attorney randy zelin.rthur: look, their art is the school had issued alerts campus wide for bomb threats and things a lot less than shoot evening and kids getting murdered, you get two students on the ground at 7:00 a.m., getting murdered, common sense would dictate we have to temperature the 36,000 other kids on the campus something is going on. their excuse we wanted the deceased family members it know first. what gives it credibility is they are only asking for $100,000, they are not suing the government for millions and millions, they want $100,000 and a full official accounting of the events and that gives the plaintiffs, the two sets of parents, a lot of credibility. >>shepard: the important part is if you took the money, you with not have to go through the trial and you could settle out but if you go through the process you will be able to fact finding and be able to get discovery and learn what was going on behind the scenes. >>randy: this is a tragedy of insane proportions. the largest mass murder

and now our panel, criminal defense attorney randy zelin, former prosecutor, and)/p frases here, andhunt has covered the story throughout. it is a tough one. >>randy: horribly tough. and a young man jumped off the george washington bridge as a result of what happened but now we have to talk about the legal end. it was a shocking verdict to my opinion that almost doesn't make any sense. first of all we heard david lee miller say the death, the suicide had no place in court yet, clearly, this young man was convicted because tyler jumped off the bridge and we know that because the other gentleman in the room, this were counts he was acquitted of for the same conduct, and he didn't kill himself, so, clearly the death played a role. it wasn't supposed to. >>shepard: i don't about clearly it was tyler's room. not mb's room. >>randy: but wasn't his privacy inveighed -- invaded? >>shepard: but it was not mb's room. >>randy: there were counts he was convicted based on tyler. >>shepard: who was the rightful occupant? >>randy: that disparity doesn't make sense but he was found not guilty of int

faith jenkins and randy zelin. this is weird, isn't it? >>faith: strange. >>shepard: something about a bomb and everyone freakin' out and "say your prayers, say your prayers." >>faith: this is the second incident in a month in a half with a member a crew weirding out. so i am wondering what the procedures are to examine individuals who are in charge of flights. >>shepard: on jetblue they hand you a beef-up and say that is $5.95 and a drink is $6.95. >>randy: you wonder why people snap? >>shepard: we don't have all the information but something weird happened. they went to amarillo rather than las vegas. no slot machines in amarillo and that is a problem. first the parents of the teen who died at the self appointed neighborhood watchman and demands for justice the lawmakers holding a forum to, whatten the role the government in the case, the role of the federal government for racial profiling and hate crimes. the teen's family could speak at any moment. but they may choose not to. we cannot know. all as investigators are trying to figure how 17-year-old tray

criminal defense attorney randy zelin and legal an analyst.ould stab she is "hot," and move on from there. a drug ring with tons and tons of stuff. she is fedexing stuff and by ups and through the postal service, meth and meth and more meth. >> she had 19 ail -- ailias, and a bank account with half a million, she has a list customers and then she blows off the court appearance in australia and cost her friend $150,000. because they put up the bail. >>randy: well, if i had a house i would put it up for her bail. >>shepard: it would take more than that, randy. >>randy: everyone needs to take a deep breath because from what i read she ain't no rocket scientist and she doesn't need to be with those looks. to call her the "head," of an international meth ... we are moving too quickly. >>shepard: they stopped the packans from fedex. with her nape on it. >> and the drugs in her apartment, randy. are those someone else? >>randy: so it is a possession charge. she will end up cooperating, she is looking at mandatory minimum sentences, and she will coope

finally this weekend represents a chance for fencers to grab a place in russia zelin big scene the moscow saber events attracts competitors from all over the world and includes a few names to look out. for the london games this summer with more here is michael craft. in one of his plays friends comic playwright. summed up cleansing as the art of giving without receiving is certainly a noble notion and with one hundred thirteen men and a hundred fourteen women participating in the thirty seventh annual moscow's saber fencing tournament it's no wonder the event continues to grow in popularity year by year luminary rounds were healthy throughout saturday in order to determine this year's individual champions italians and the french have always had a penchant for the sport but there were a plethora of other nations represented as well. and sometimes. it's pretty. i. think this is the last chance for this is to qualify for the upcoming summer that. in the women's final russia's managed to defend a twenty eleven title but took the time to overcome a chinese opponent after which she was pleased

and now the lawyers former prosecutor faith jenkins and criminal defense attorney randy zelin. at end of the shift the managers would take 5 percent or 6 percent from the tips and give it to the restaurant? >>guest: that is right. this case, and this is crazy, it really represents the mentality that you want to make as much profit as you possibly can even if it is on the backs of the people who are so important to the business and work so hard and make the least amount of pun. and why it is an important settlement? for every bus boy out there, serving, waitress, all of these people who have been watching and following the case it sends a message. these are people that do not want to say anything because they don't want to lose their job, and they cannot afor to quit but the message has been said if you are an employer stop nickeling and diming the people. >>randy: that would be nice if that is what happened. no one was sticking their hands in the tip jar. what happens, faith, if we work together and we are supposed to get raises when we leave here but i'm never around to get th

and now, faith jenkins and criminal defense attorney randy zelin. randy and i were talking during the segment, colgan air in buffalo had nothing to do with training they were exhausted, mying and sleeping on a couch. that is what it is. >>randy: an example of the disconnect between regulators and reality. it had nothing to do with a lack of training. the only thing they needed was more sleep. so what we're talking about is the inability of the government to recognize the issue opposed to wanting to have a good sound bite. who is not for safe? but would will pay for it? how are the pilots or co-pilots supposed to eat while they dot training? what does the training relate to the air crash? >> when you are not training or experienced people can die so there is not too much training. the airlines may need to have more money to pay more experienced pilots. but so be it. >>randy: tell that to the consumer. ain't going to be real happy. >>shepard: better not to crash. >>randy: if no one flies no one crashes so ground the pilots. >>shepard: sure, randy, tha

and former prosecutor faith jenkins and criminal defense attorney randy zelin. well ... i mean ... there was an empty bad of weed if his pocket so i guess it is his own fault. >>faith: that is coming into the evaluation. >>shepard: when lawyer dozen not have the facts they blame the victim? >>faith: a lot people are upset because they feel like justice delayed is justice denied for this teenager. if zimmerman is able to successfully assert this self-defense law it sets a dangerous precedent. it gives a citizen unfettered discretion to use deadly force against an unarmed person which virtually little to not account belt and even police officers who are trained professionals do not have that kind of discretion. >>randy: it is a bad law. what will be really nice in this we stance is to borrow the etch a sketch analogy we could take trayvon martin and george zimmerman and make them red, green, blue, remove race from the picture and look at the facts. we do not know what happened in the seconds between the 9-1-1 call where the operator says to zimmerman, don't do anything. and, that sec

a criminal defense attorney randy zelin and prosecution attorney, josh. >> this is technology that we, the fbi is trying to keep a step ahead of the bad guys for lack of a better term, and this arrest and taking him on as an informant is what the f.b.i. does best, how do you understand what is going on to keep a step ahead of the bad guys, so right now what they are doing is saying we have this guy, how do we stop this before they get the information and their approach is what they do and they will try to stay a step ahead. >>randy: the problem with using cooperators is it is the government and only the government that determines whether or not someone is being truthful and north right so what happens is, and i cannot take credit for this but here is the problem. and it was actually that the government is the only one who decides imagine a situation where an informant is lying to the government but the government believes him. he gets his credit for his cooperation and tanks the case. wait, wait, wait, but it happens. josh, i have won cases, i have won cases and, again, by the same to

criminal defense attorney randy zelin and fox news legal analyst, mercedes is with us today.s will be tough on the kid. tough on the mom. reasonable tough on the woman who kidnapped the kid. we have a statute of limitations. >>randy: we do and as lawyers we follow the law. and the law has determined at some point in time it is, yes, we do --. >> no, not this case. >>randy: the law has determined you cannot prosecute someone, the case is too old you lose your witnesses, someone behaved themselves. >> you know what she avoided detection, she did not put that child to school. in the interest of justice we have seen judge whose have extended the statute. this is a baby taken from the biological mother, and obviously was undetectable because the child they changed the name did not put him in school and she avoid the detection, so many the judge can say, we may have a statute of limitations but you are going to be charges brought. >>shepard: and another thing, the police stopped investigating this a long time ago and never told the mom. >>guest: in is an abuse. >>randy: and after t

former prosecution is with us, and criminal defense attorney randy zelin.t up the cannon, as i usually do on tuesday, set up the cannon, pointed it at the house, let out the cannonball, knew the girlfriend was inside, but the death of the girlfriend was clearly an accident? >> which is why the prosecution will have a lot of slaining to do if they plan on reducing this down to manslaughter because based upon the fact that we know they have every ingredient necessary to prove it and we mentioned first-degree murder and we have enough for first-degree murder because when you point a cannon at someone you stuff it with a cannonball full of explosives you light the fuse and you blow apart the trailer which ups it to first-degree murder. >>randy: he was clearly torn that day, using the cannon to intentionally the girlfriend, or buy a ring, marry her, fly her to australia or cut off her air supply, we sow -- saw how well that went. he loved her. he was drunk, he did not intend to kill her. on his worst day he closed his eyes that if he lit the cannon someone could

faith jenkins, former prosecutor and criminal against attorney randy zelin. first, the law, is used by police as a reason for having not arrested him. but the man who sponsored the law and pushed it through the let use of with the governor signed it is saying he doesn't believe this law should apply. >>guest: it should not apply. you do not have to retreat if you faced with harm but does not provide you follow and confront someone and put yourself in a situation where you are creating the scenario causing that person to get defensive and you can say, i shot him in self-defense. it does not work that way. >>randy: that is the problem. you identified we an issue of fact. and at the end of the day when you are in this phase of an investigation a report and the police have to make a simple decision. can we win the case? if the face of the statute it is clear they may not be able to win it. it is a bad law. >>guest: they are taking the word of the shooter in this case if a shooting investigation, taking his word, i was defending myself. you have to look at all of