i have been working for more than a decade with the zeller box foundation and a coalition of agency and community partner and affected individuals that is so unique that the justice department has sent the urban institute to study san francisco response to these kids and it is tempting to tell you about all of the great things that are happening in san francisco and all of the wonderful things that the public agencies are doing and in fact that was my intention and but when i listed to her, i was reminded that there are many, many children who have never heard of the bill of rights, and are not touched by these programs and policies, and are still suffering tremendous unnecessary trauma. and so, i think that the challenge now, now that we have programs established, with the police, the jail, the probation, the public defender, and child welfare, and many more public agencies is to understand, that children of incarcerated parents are not a unique or separate group of kids. we have heard a lot of numbers, but the one that i find the most compelling and disturbing, is that one in ten amer