just ask zephyr teachout and larry lessig. each is an outstanding scholar. she teaches constitutional and property law at fordham law school here in new york, and recently published this highly acclaimed book, "corruption in america: from benjamin franklin's snuff box to citizens united." larry lessig teaches law at harvard and directs that university's edmond j. safra center for ethics. both champion free and fair competition in our economy and our elections. zephyr teachout ran for governor of new york in the democratic primary against incumbent and friend of wall street, andrew cuomo. >> my name is zephyr teachout and i'm running in the democratic primary for the governor of the state of new york. >> a political unknown with no money, she surprised just about everyone, including cuomo, by getting more than a third of the votes. a good showing, given that he spent $60.62 for each of his votes while she could only spend $1.57, but, nonetheless, still a defeat. larry lessig decided to fight fire with fire. he raised several million dollars for a super pac ca

and in the meantime, i've seen zephyr teachout run for governor. and i've seen the incredible response. when i've been out there watching people and watching real leaders push on this issue, the passion is there. and this is still a system where we can win more votes than they do and win more seats in congress than they have and pass legislation to take this critical first step. and i think we will. >> by "they," you mean the oligarchs, the plutocrats. are we close to plutocracy, where government runs, is run by the rich? >> yes. >> for the advantage of rich? >> yes. >> but, you know, here's the way i want to push back on that. it makes it sound like it works for them too. you know, it works for them on some issues. but the point is when they look at a system which, you know, they pretty much agree is broken in 1,000 different ways, they, too, can begin to recognize why this is a terrible system. when we would get super-large, rich people giving us money to make it so they had less political power in the system, trying to show off. it's because the