i sat down recently with two reformers -- zephyr teachout, fordham university law professor; and john kaehny, the executive director of reinvent albany, a group that advocates for a more ethical government. i asked them if we'll finally see now some reform in the state capital. >> the groundwork has been laid by activists, but now the general public is just fed up. so i think in the short term, we can see a ban on outside income. even the governor, who i don't agree with on many things, is advocating for that. and then i think we have to move towards a public-financing system. the private financing system is basically legalized bribery. so we have a lot of very legal activity happening in albany right now that looks a lot like what sheldon silver is going away for. >> isn't this a little, though, like the latest gun violence, the latest gun massacre? people get all hot and bothered about gun control and everything else and say, "we got to do something," and then nothing happens. people have been talking, john, about, you know, corruption in albany for decades. >> 50 years ago, new yor