zerby and her entourage left the house in 2001.er son. >> she didn't give him much responsibility. he didn't have much responsibility in the house. that was surprising for me because, as a child, we were taught that he was going to be the leader, the next leader. i think she saw him still as her little boy and not as the man he had become. >> although pedophilia was banned, under karen zerby's command, wife swapping remained the norm. >> there was a prophecy given that this house was called the house of the open [ muted ]. the essence was that sex was the medium to god, to jesus. >> everywhere we went, rick was always, you know, a topic of interest for people. there were always girls that wanted to get a piece of him. for me it was really hard to share him. >> shoot [ muted ] my brains. he used us as slaves. because that's we were, every last [ muted ] one of us. no matter how we were treated we were [ muted ] slaves. just there for their sick [ muted ] pleasure. that's all it was. that's the way it was at grandpa and mama's house.