but to zerlina's point, there are also tangible consequences.ht now ostensibly the government is shut down over a wall although it's not a wall, it's border security, but it's not concrete, it's steel. there is no coherence inside his mind. we don't know what the government's shut down over. >> well, yeah. no, look, i think, and again, there is really no way to know for sure. he -- you know, there has been this pattern with the wall. early on there was transcripts released about his conversation with the last president of mexico saying like just say you're going to pay for the wall. >> right. i remember that. that's right. >> the wall is some talisman for him. i'm not -- i don't know what's going on with the president. i've come across people who talk like that. usually they're heavily medicated. i have no idea what's going on with the president, but the wall is stuck in his head. he is convinced his audience -- >> yes. >> -- wants a wall. it's almost like he is trying to negotiate with the twitter followers. >> that's right. >> you know, it's a

zerlina maxwell and brian butler, thanks. >>> breaking news tonight.onald trump says he'll allow the justice department to decide on the release of robert mueller's report. it's a major pronouncement on one of the big questions swirling around the sprawling investigation. >>> plus a mueller court filing today reveals how the russians have been swiping information from the mueller team, turning around and using it to wage a disinformation campaign against the investigation. >>> and would this story have been entirely different if donald trump had simply followed chris christie's advice? the former new jersey governor here with us tonight to talk about what else he's written in his new book. as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a wednesday evening. >>> well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 741 of the trump administration and the breaking news we're covering tonight as we come on the air is in the

i'm joined by zerlina maxwell, and brian boiler, chief of crooked.com.ote a piece today "howard schultz and the pollute cat revolt." the last few days have seemed to unify democrats in response to him. >> yes. because he doesn't have any qualifications to run for president. he is talking about seriously running for president because he can because he is a rich person, not because he has any qualifications or previous job experience, which would set him up to run for president. and that's actually what we're objecting to. he also doesn't have any substantive ideas. when he was asked on cbs the morning, well, what's your big idea? he said i'm going to pull people together and unite the country that was his big idea. if you're going have a bunch of strategists and policy advisers who are setting you to run for president, one would think you would think about some policy specifics. democrats right now, we're talking about medicare for all. we're talking about free college or tuition-free college and substantive policy ideas that actually make people's lives

zerlina, is there anything that democrats gave president trump, anything of substance in this deal do, not bundle at all when it comes to the border wall >> i think the lesson they learned from this fight is they should hold firm i there what we saw in the last few weeks is the consequence of democrats taking back one of the chambers of congress and i think that you know, american voters sent a message to donald trump in november. it just took them till yesterday to figure out what that message was, which is we want a check on your incompetent really. and a check on the power of the presidency he should not be able to just shut down the government in a temper tantrum because mexico is not going to pay for the wall like he promised during the campaign i never thought i would said i agree with ann coulter, but she's right. he said this on the campaign trail every day. we all pretended he did not. what the reality check he got yesterday is that the speaker of the house is the position that wields a lot of power and finally, donald trump is going to have to go toe to toe with somebody unl

brett, zerlina and nick.his inability to understand why white supremism is offensive to people. mitch mcconnell has just released a statement about it. he says there is no place in the republican party, the congress, or the country for an ideology of racial supremacy of any kind. i have no tolerance for such positions, and those who espouse these views are not supporters of american ideals and freedoms. congressman king's statements are unwelcome and unworthy of his position. if he does not understand why white supremacy is offensive, he should find another line of work. if mitch mcconnell is saying it, does that mean there is a breaking point, or is this just a very sternly worded statement that won't change anything? >> well, ask yourself the question what that statement applied to the things donald trump has said, and i think that's the bigger question here. it's not that -- i think it's great that mitch mcconnell actually has condemned steve king at this moment. i was wondering the whole time where is the

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. >> john and zerlina maxwell. thank you. >> lawmakers are meeting for the first time to try to avoid another government shutdown which could come in 16 days. the conference committee is made up of 17 members. it includes some of the most senior members of congress, it includes lawmakers with appropriation backgrounds. it does not include immigration hard liners. their goal is to crack the deal and satisfy the president's demand for building his border wall. a demand that president repeated this morning, any discussions without his wall is a waste of time. >> joining me now is kelly o'donell and kasie hunt. kelly, what's happening on capitol hill? >> what's happening to the white house, i should say about this. i am sorry. >> reporter: no problem. the white house sort of backed away from this in an active way. they're allowing this to be a congressional progress where you have lawmakers who do know a great deal of how the process works. if all members of congress have a certain skill level and you have specialists

zerlina. what are the democrats going to do after this. what's your expectation of what happens post 3:30, 3:35, 4:30? >> i think the democrats are in an interesting position, essentially they can do a redo of the first time they did the meeting, especially if trump allows cameras to come in at any point or if they come out of this meeting. >> in the situation room, that would be surprising. >> no, what would happen is, they come out of the meeting like they do in the oval office, and talk to the cameras about what happened in the meeting, the democrats have an upper hand this is not a fight between republicans and democrats over the policy, about whether or not we should have a border wall, this is a fight against mexico and the truth. he said mexico is going to pay for the wall. until he admits he lied about that, the democrats can't compromise to reach a point on a policy that doesn't make any sense in the first place, and that the president said mexico, not american taxpayers were going to pay for it. >> that is an important point to m

zerlina maxwell, and sam seder, thank you so much for joining me. all right that is "all in" this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. i hope i'm not too early. good evening. >> i am here. don't worry. and i was just enjoying you talking about my show from last night. that was very nice of you. >> it was so good. i listened in the car on the way home that thing you did on public puppet and the president's esoteric views on montenegro national character. and i listened to it and i got home last night and watched it, and i've just been thinking about it all day. i'm now obsessed with the question who put that in the president's brain? >> yes. >> it's a very important, interesting question. >> well, thank you. a, thank you for listening to it. that's above and beyond. when you do cable news all day, you don't have to consume any of it. >> sometimes you don't want anymore. that's true. >> but i mean, also, the contrar contrary, the nonworrying interpretation of this series of facts, is that the president has come up with all of these thin

i'm joined by zerlina maxwell, the director of progressive programming for sirius.an is a columnist with the "wall street journal." i love your column. i love it. i used to tweet you after i read it or e-mail you. what do you think about kamala. you have a good sense of horse flesh, how does it look? >> kamala harris? i thought she made a good impression in her speech. the headline to me, did you see that crowd? 20,000 was the number i read in the papers, as we used to say. what a huge crowd. it was a good, strong, liberal left speech. she also, i'll tell you what i see when i look at her. she enjoys this. she likes it. >> if you don't like it, why are you there? >> also, they wear on us if they don't like it. it's good when they like it. >> yeah. >> you know, i'm not going to mention the name, but "snl" last night referred to one to one of the other candidates, kate mckinnon was playing her saying voting for her would be like having a prostate exam. it's good for you, but who wants to do it? enough said. what do you think about this, does happy matter? >> yes, it m

jonathan zerlina, jay todd, what did you hear?it's interesting, there is a sense of optimism what you said there about the 24 notice, if a deal is struck tonight, maybe it's tomorrow morning, this can be opened up on the weekend. there is a scenario the president is giving. >> i was wondering. i'm going to say, i'm not canceling my travel plans yet. >> as we discussioned, this could all fall apart. the president may listen to anne coulter rather than nancy pelosi. think of that scene tuesday night, if he comes into the newly reopened government and we get to watch nancy pelosi behind him the whole time. >> there is such a sense of exhaustion. you think he needs a week to gather his thoughts. >> a lot to get through. >> you don't want to do it yet. >> i know he wants to give the state of the union. if we're talking about whether or not he's listening to anne coulter or nancy pelosi, like everything is out of whack. anne could you teller is a pundit. she's not a part of the official government. she is not elected. so the president l

zerlina maxwell and brian butler, thanks. >> good evening, chris. thanks my friend. thanks for joining us this hour. they finally did it. it took them two weeks, and nobody quite understands why it took them two week, but they have now done it. republicans in congress today final limb moved to name republican members of congress who will be seated on the intelligence committee in the house. again, nobody knows why it took them this long, but it has been a consequential delay. when democrats won the majority in the house many this fall's elections, they won by a big enough majority that not only did the democrats take, of course, the chairmanship and the numerical majority on every committee in the house. on the intelligence committee, it was actually a really big shift in terms of the numbers. republicans not only lost the chairmanship of the intelligence committee, they lost four seats for republican members. now luckily for the republicans, that loss of four seats on that incredibly crucial committee that's right at the heart of the russia investigation, them losin